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Old 11-29-2008 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
It's not a 9.... repeat after me.... it's not a 9. Nowhere is it officially referenced as a 9. There is DC-9.... and CRJ-900. Technically, it's a CL600-2D24. Not to be a nerd but it's NOT a 9. Learn your airplane brah.
So can't I call mine a 75? Or must I say EMB170-200 when refering to the 175? Btm line who cares. It's an 86 seat passenger aircraft that should be operated as a mainline aircraft by mainline pilots. However, if they won't fight to get it, I am not going to fight to give it to them. I got an idea, how about have scope limit them to 700 miles? Then we could fly it full all year long. How about not allowing hub to hub operations. Make the feeder its supposed to be.

I did find it funny how you say "not to be a nerd" while in fact engaging in nerdism.
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Old 11-29-2008 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
I did find it funny how you say "not to be a nerd" while in fact engaging in nerdism.
And he said "brah." Must have spikey hair and fly for Pinnacle.

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Old 11-29-2008 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Definition of "wannabe"
Ya think.... After all he flies the 9 in NWA colors.


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He would be fun to watch at a bar
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Old 11-29-2008 | 02:07 PM
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Kudos, XJKid. You got a few to take the bait. I salute you, sir. That was well-crafted flamebait. You are a troll king among trolls.
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Old 11-29-2008 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilotpip
Mason,

If AMR had it their way Eagle wouldn't be wholly-owned. Inbluskyz hit the nail on the head with his comment.
They never intended to sell it. It is from the same playbook they ran several years ago when they wanted to sell executive... in both cases it was during contract ammendmant rounds... and, if there ever was any doubt that they had NO intention of selling... go talk with a few people who had the opportunity to see the prohibitions-restrictions & requirements on any buyer... the only deal they put forth, was so expensive, and so restrictive that the only logical conclusion was that it wasn't for sale.... the press release did get the iceland group investors off their back though.

Originally Posted by Pilotpip
I'd like to know, when AMR finally sells Eagle, will you quit and go to work at one of the wholly-owned regionals or will you change your song?
In the words of Bob Crandal.... everything AMR has is for sale, you just can't afford it. AMR will sell Eagle, right around the same time they sell American... ain't gonna happen.

Now, to answer your last question.... yes, I would move on. I
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Old 11-29-2008 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by milky
Technology has greatly affected this industry. Flying a plane is much easier and navigation is a whole lot easier than it was 20 years ago (unless you fly equipment that has not been upgraded like my 727 bros). I'm sure there are many of you that fly on older equipment, fine. Anyway, dudes with no experience are flooding the market and for the most part not crashing jets daily. You are correct, there are many factors bringing down the wages of pilots.

And to say you have no recourse is an idiotic statement. For now, this country is still free! You can go out and get a job or start a business doing ANYTHING YOU WANT!

Are you a pilot? Do you even know anything at all about the RLA?
We aren't exactly playing evenly anymore. It may be a free market system, but under the RLA we are fighting with one hand behind our backs. It is all fine and good to say they can hire any novice commercial pilot and teach them to be a FO.... what you're missing is that FO's are not making command decisions in the airplanes. They have basically run out of skilled professional labor willing to take the job for such low pay and are recruiting people who just don't know any better....

All the pilot unions are saying is that since the govet completely deregulated the industry, they need to deregulate the labor force as well so we can effectively negotiate fair wages and rules. The current system does not allow our labor representatives a fair opportunity to negotiate effectively. The current system basically has the employee trapped with no other option except to leave. Your solution of leaving isn't very realistic, but it makes a great soundbyte.
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Old 11-29-2008 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by aa73
Those are actually mainline jets, not regional. But hey, the line between "regional" and "mainline" has been blurred. Right now, the question should be, "Are they B-scale or A-scale jets?"
I don't think anyone offers the A scale jet in that size range...
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Old 11-29-2008 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotorhead
I don't think anyone offers the A scale jet in that size range...
you forgot the word "now" at the end of the sentence... since that size jet most CERTAINLY was a mainline aircraft until managements realized the regional guys would drool over them and fly them for less
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Old 11-29-2008 | 06:26 PM
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Wish I didn't jump in on this thread so late, because I've been thinking a lot about these issues recently.

The way I see it, most of us get it all wrong. We debate whether or not a 50 seat vs a 90 seat vs a 70 seat jet is a regional. Canadair is coming out with a 110 seat Regional Jet in a few years guys. We debate the lengths of routes to ascertain whether a regional flight stage length should be 250 miles or less, or a mainline should be more. Fact is that all these numbers are arbitrary; and as long as they are arbitrary, at some point management is going to challenge them to their advantage.

There is only one solution to this quagmire, The brand that you fly, should be the contract you work under! That means Eagle pilots should be employees of American under the same contract as AA mainline pilots. Ditto for Expressjet and Continental, Air Whiskey and USAir, and Comair for Delta. One airline, ONE pilot group . Until we realize this, we'll be forever whipsawed back and forth against each other!

The power to do this is with the mainline guys. Demand a single contract for all gauges of flying under your company's logo. Does this sound improbable...Yes, Is it impossible...No!
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Old 11-29-2008 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Onfinal
Wish I didn't jump in on this thread so late, because I've been thinking a lot about these issues recently.

The way I see it, most of us get it all wrong. We debate whether or not a 50 seat vs a 90 seat vs a 70 seat jet is a regional. Canadair is coming out with a 110 seat Regional Jet in a few years guys. We debate the lengths of routes to ascertain whether a regional flight stage length should be 250 miles or less, or a mainline should be more. Fact is that all these numbers are arbitrary; and as long as they are arbitrary, at some point management is going to challenge them to their advantage.

There is only one solution to this quagmire, The brand that you fly, should be the contract you work under! That means Eagle pilots should be employees of American under the same contract as AA mainline pilots. Ditto for Expressjet and Continental, Air Whiskey and USAir, and Comair for Delta. One airline, ONE pilot group . Until we realize this, we'll be forever whipsawed back and forth against each other!

The power to do this is with the mainline guys. Demand a single contract for all gauges of flying under your company's logo. Does this sound improbable...Yes, Is it impossible...No!
You must still be at Eagle hoping for the TA to come alive again like I was ...airplanes will fly themselves without pilots before the APA will ever allow that.
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