Regionals flying mainline routes
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I did find it funny how you say "not to be a nerd" while in fact engaging in nerdism.
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Now, to answer your last question.... yes, I would move on. I
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Technology has greatly affected this industry. Flying a plane is much easier and navigation is a whole lot easier than it was 20 years ago (unless you fly equipment that has not been upgraded like my 727 bros). I'm sure there are many of you that fly on older equipment, fine. Anyway, dudes with no experience are flooding the market and for the most part not crashing jets daily. You are correct, there are many factors bringing down the wages of pilots.
And to say you have no recourse is an idiotic statement. For now, this country is still free! You can go out and get a job or start a business doing ANYTHING YOU WANT!
And to say you have no recourse is an idiotic statement. For now, this country is still free! You can go out and get a job or start a business doing ANYTHING YOU WANT!
Are you a pilot? Do you even know anything at all about the RLA?
We aren't exactly playing evenly anymore. It may be a free market system, but under the RLA we are fighting with one hand behind our backs. It is all fine and good to say they can hire any novice commercial pilot and teach them to be a FO.... what you're missing is that FO's are not making command decisions in the airplanes. They have basically run out of skilled professional labor willing to take the job for such low pay and are recruiting people who just don't know any better....
All the pilot unions are saying is that since the govet completely deregulated the industry, they need to deregulate the labor force as well so we can effectively negotiate fair wages and rules. The current system does not allow our labor representatives a fair opportunity to negotiate effectively. The current system basically has the employee trapped with no other option except to leave. Your solution of leaving isn't very realistic, but it makes a great soundbyte.
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you forgot the word "now" at the end of the sentence... since that size jet most CERTAINLY was a mainline aircraft until managements realized the regional guys would drool over them and fly them for less
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Wish I didn't jump in on this thread so late, because I've been thinking a lot about these issues recently.
The way I see it, most of us get it all wrong. We debate whether or not a 50 seat vs a 90 seat vs a 70 seat jet is a regional. Canadair is coming out with a 110 seat Regional Jet in a few years guys. We debate the lengths of routes to ascertain whether a regional flight stage length should be 250 miles or less, or a mainline should be more. Fact is that all these numbers are arbitrary; and as long as they are arbitrary, at some point management is going to challenge them to their advantage.
There is only one solution to this quagmire, The brand that you fly, should be the contract you work under! That means Eagle pilots should be employees of American under the same contract as AA mainline pilots. Ditto for Expressjet and Continental, Air Whiskey and USAir, and Comair for Delta. One airline, ONE pilot group . Until we realize this, we'll be forever whipsawed back and forth against each other!
The power to do this is with the mainline guys. Demand a single contract for all gauges of flying under your company's logo. Does this sound improbable...Yes, Is it impossible...No!
The way I see it, most of us get it all wrong. We debate whether or not a 50 seat vs a 90 seat vs a 70 seat jet is a regional. Canadair is coming out with a 110 seat Regional Jet in a few years guys. We debate the lengths of routes to ascertain whether a regional flight stage length should be 250 miles or less, or a mainline should be more. Fact is that all these numbers are arbitrary; and as long as they are arbitrary, at some point management is going to challenge them to their advantage.
There is only one solution to this quagmire, The brand that you fly, should be the contract you work under! That means Eagle pilots should be employees of American under the same contract as AA mainline pilots. Ditto for Expressjet and Continental, Air Whiskey and USAir, and Comair for Delta. One airline, ONE pilot group . Until we realize this, we'll be forever whipsawed back and forth against each other!
The power to do this is with the mainline guys. Demand a single contract for all gauges of flying under your company's logo. Does this sound improbable...Yes, Is it impossible...No!
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Wish I didn't jump in on this thread so late, because I've been thinking a lot about these issues recently.
The way I see it, most of us get it all wrong. We debate whether or not a 50 seat vs a 90 seat vs a 70 seat jet is a regional. Canadair is coming out with a 110 seat Regional Jet in a few years guys. We debate the lengths of routes to ascertain whether a regional flight stage length should be 250 miles or less, or a mainline should be more. Fact is that all these numbers are arbitrary; and as long as they are arbitrary, at some point management is going to challenge them to their advantage.
There is only one solution to this quagmire, The brand that you fly, should be the contract you work under! That means Eagle pilots should be employees of American under the same contract as AA mainline pilots. Ditto for Expressjet and Continental, Air Whiskey and USAir, and Comair for Delta. One airline, ONE pilot group . Until we realize this, we'll be forever whipsawed back and forth against each other!
The power to do this is with the mainline guys. Demand a single contract for all gauges of flying under your company's logo. Does this sound improbable...Yes, Is it impossible...No!
The way I see it, most of us get it all wrong. We debate whether or not a 50 seat vs a 90 seat vs a 70 seat jet is a regional. Canadair is coming out with a 110 seat Regional Jet in a few years guys. We debate the lengths of routes to ascertain whether a regional flight stage length should be 250 miles or less, or a mainline should be more. Fact is that all these numbers are arbitrary; and as long as they are arbitrary, at some point management is going to challenge them to their advantage.
There is only one solution to this quagmire, The brand that you fly, should be the contract you work under! That means Eagle pilots should be employees of American under the same contract as AA mainline pilots. Ditto for Expressjet and Continental, Air Whiskey and USAir, and Comair for Delta. One airline, ONE pilot group . Until we realize this, we'll be forever whipsawed back and forth against each other!
The power to do this is with the mainline guys. Demand a single contract for all gauges of flying under your company's logo. Does this sound improbable...Yes, Is it impossible...No!
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