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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 514818)

I could not agree more! In the end, pilots flying 757/767 will be displaced to DC-9/ MD 88. I would happely fly the MD88, but I avoided getting hired at Northwest because of the DC-9 and 747-200.

:rolleyes:

Yeah and i avoided getting hired at Delta because there was a lack of retirements.

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Originally Posted by DelDah Capt (Post 514810)

You're not wrong.

Even while we all ponder our shiny brand new seniority numbers, the fact is that we are all in the same seats today that we were in yesterday. As you hint at, the real fun begins in the upcoming months and years as the new Delta closes categories and/or moves them around from New York to MSP or MEM to ATL. The meaning of those new numbers will also sink in after that first AE as people look around to see what their seniority will hold. As of today, +/- 1% of relative seniority is meaningless. It won't really become tangible until those first seat bids or displacements.

I understand that you bid/get what you hold, but from the conditions and restrictions stated below, we cannot be displaced. I try to look at things caveman easy, but it reads below that we will be able to fill what our seniority holds, if a position opens on an AE, not being displaced. I understand that one may continue to operate the ER, etc but you will be junior for quite a while. Of course, I do no know when that restriction expires (as stated by bullet 1) but it will probably go away at the next contract. Again, just conjecture based on incomplete information, take it FWIW.

B. Conditions and Restrictions

1. These conditions and restrictions are an integral part of the ISSL and shall
remain in full force and effect until their expiration by their terms.

2. Pilots hired after April 14, 2008, shall be junior to all pilots on the ISSL
and shall be listed in order of date of hire consistent with the Joint
Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA.).

3. Neither the implementation of the ISSL nor the implementation or
expiration of a condition or restriction herein, in and of itself, shall cause
the displacement of any pilot from his or her then-current position
(including pilots who have been awarded positions but had not
commenced or completed training).

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 514823)

Why is that?

747-200: I didn't want to fly sideways.
DC-9:"dinosaur" and some choose other words--- up down, change planes, up down, de-ice, up down, change planes, up down, de-ice, up down, 9 hours on the ground in the frozen north.

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 514831)

:rolleyes:

Yeah and i avoided getting hired at Delta because there was a lack of retirements.

I forgot that ALL NW pilots have the a fund.

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 514825)

Where are the DAL MD88s that are getting replaced by Shuttle America going to get moved?

I am listening to the Investors webcast right now and they clearly said in regards to the DC9s "Yesterdays trash is todays treasure". The context was in regards to high fuel and now low fuel. They said the DC9s are going to be a great tool that can be used.

I missed the webcast, what else did it say???!!!

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Originally Posted by fishguy79 (Post 514845)

I missed the webcast, what else did it say???!!!

still going on

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....ventID=2045519

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Originally Posted by DLpilot (Post 514849)

I must be misreading the award here. It says the replacement aircraft will be allocated following paragraph 4. Paragraph 4 prevents NW from flying 777's for 5 years. So if they replace the 787 with a 777, wouldn't the fence still be in place? Therefore, the 777 additional aircraft would still go to the pre-merger Delta pilot.

4. For the period of five (5) years beginning with the first bid period after the
issuance of the Single Operating Certificate (SOC), no pre-merger
Northwest pilot may be awarded or displaced to a vacancy on a B777
aircraft or category and no pre-merger Delta pilot may be awarded or
displaced to a B787 or B747 vacancy.
5. Should the merged company take delivery of any aircraft which is/are a
replacement of any aircraft covered by Paragraph 4., the captain positions
and, as applicable, the first officer positions on each such replacement
aircraft will be allocated in accordance with the Paragraph 4. restrictions
on the type it is replacing

If Delta aquires 777 to REPLACE the NW 787 orders, than they fall to NW premerger pilots. If ALPA sees a change in order,777's for 787's, as "replacement" of 787. Maybe that is where the fight will be. Is a change in order a "replacement of any aircraft covered in Paragraph 4?"

I read what you wrote incorrectly. Sorry. I thought you meant a lack of retirement not retiring pilots. You chose an airline you can move up quickly in and I chose to avoid specific airplanes. Do you keep you relative position in the company with people still retiring above you? because I may not be able to avoid the DC-9/747-200.

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 514831)

:rolleyes:

Yeah and i avoided getting hired at Delta because there was a lack of retirements.

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