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seamonster 12-09-2008 07:52 AM
Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 514856)
If Delta aquires 777 to REPLACE the NW 787 orders, than they fall to NW premerger pilots. If ALPA sees a change in order,777's for 787's, as "replacement" of 787. Maybe that is where the fight will be. Is a change in order a "replacement of any aircraft covered in Paragraph 4?"
Can someone tell me if I am reading wrong about "replacements" and fences.

Superpilot92 12-09-2008 07:55 AM
Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 514861)
I read what you wrote incorrectly. Sorry. I thought you meant a lack of retirement not retiring pilots. You chose an airline you can move up quickly in and I chose to avoid specific airplanes. Do you keep you relative position in the company with people still retiring above you? because I may not be able to avoid the DC-9/747-200.
I do but i DONT get to move up 55% in the company in the next 10-13 years. I am ok with that, i was just pointing out that its not all peaches and cream for NWA pilots. You portray that the DAL side got a shorter stick so to speak and i disagree. Both sides "lost" on some issues and "gained" on others.

Time to move on and look at what we have to look forward to as a Unified pilot group.

Superpilot92 12-09-2008 07:58 AM
Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 514867)
Can someone tell me if I am reading wrong about "replacements" and fences.
You arent wrong from what i can tell. Replacement aircraft go to the specific side and if its a fenced aircraft then they are blocked off. interesting times are ahead for sure.

Avroman 12-09-2008 08:17 AM
Either way it sounds a lot better than the US Air fiasco or what the old NW guys did to the old Republic back in 86.

seamonster 12-09-2008 08:23 AM
I am a pilot, and have to complain. When it comes to the next contract, sitting in the cockpit, or hanging out on the layovers we are all one group now.

cactiboss 12-09-2008 08:25 AM
Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 514886)
Either way it sounds a lot better than the US Air fiasco or what the old NW guys did to the old Republic back in 86.
This award is exactly like the usair award, down to the 5 year fences. The difference is that you don't have a group of thugs (usair east) destroying everything they touch.

seamonster 12-09-2008 08:25 AM
Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 514886)
Either way it sounds a lot better than the US Air fiasco or what the old NW guys did to the old Republic back in 86.
Old NW did to Republic? You need to look at the real history of who did what to who before you say that.

AV8ER13 12-09-2008 09:18 AM
Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 514818)
I could not agree more! In the end, pilots flying 757/767 will be displaced to DC-9/ MD 88. I would happely fly the MD88, but I avoided getting hired at Northwest because of the DC-9 and 747-200.
You probably will not have to worry about this. I can tell you that there is NOT 1 S/O that is on the A/C now that does not want to be. Everyone on the panel has chosen it (they could have bid off if they wanted to)...now maybe in a yr or two people will want off...but they probably will not be around that long.

FWIW...I love it...could have been closer to home but chose to stay on the panel...Its probably the best flying I have done to this point in my career.

PackTrip 12-09-2008 09:22 AM
Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow (Post 514776)
An NWA pilot hired in Sept 01 is paired next to DAL pilots with Jan 08 hire dates

I'm sure the NWA guys are getting a whole bunch of 'understanding'.
Yes, and in the middle of the list, there are NWA Jan 1995 hires paired with Delta October 1991 hires...so what is your point. It is not all about date of hire, as the arbitrators have agreed. So how did your percentage relative seniority move? I bet you are within 1%.

Let's move on, guys. Beers all around.

PackTrip 12-09-2008 09:25 AM
Originally Posted by embpilot (Post 514821)
seeing as though I'm junior at Delta, I would have liked to see some protection from the shriking DC-9 fleet at NW. Can anyone elaborate?
You got it. Only NWA guys can be furoulghed as a result of DC-9's going away until 1 bid after SOC.


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