I agree. They can only move at the speed of business and there is a lot of business to take care of. An SOC may be sped up a little but spring 2009 is way to lofty a goal.

A case of beer on winter of 2010.

agreed......plus, IMHO...the fact that a recently retired FAA "guy" said it will take 18 mos from his experience and understanding in the mergers he was part of...it makes me wonder what the rest of the FAA would think of DAL trying to speed up the process?

I know he is one guy with one opinion, but he has done this before. Just a thought out loud

Ok so I am sure this question has been asked but rather than read all 8 pages of this I figured I would be lazy and ask again. If only the NWA guys can be furloughed as a result of dc-9 retirements until the fence comes down, then what happens when the fence comes down. Do the furloughed NWA guys get recalled and junior DAL guys take their place on the street?

Sorry if I am completely ignorant.

Fences do not include A/C acquired after SOC (new orders)...they are shared on 1:1. The -777 for -787 you give as an example is a replacement for NWA A/C even though they are -777 no???

No soup for you...ya got your DC, we have our DB:cool:

Heyas,

You're getting your metaphors mixed up.

The only "fence" is the one around the 777s, 747-200s, 747-400s and the 787 CA and FO positions.

What you're talking about is the furlough protection. At that only lasts 1 bid period past SOC, which could be as early as next summer. Once past that point, people start falling off the bottom. I would assume that if there are any awards during the displacement process (it happens as people shift around), anyone on furlough out of seniority will have the option to bid anything they might be able to hold.

Although I am sure if this happens, there will be the inevitable arbitration over it.

Nu

Reddog25,

Actually, the way I read it, no premerger Delta guy can bid the 787, 747 prior to 5 years after SOC and no pre merger NW guy can bid the 777 prior to 5 years after SOC. It makes no mention of aircraft aquired after or before SOC. The only exception, again as I read it, if Management swaps 787 orders for 777 then those aircraft, and only those aircraft, would have the same fence on the NW side.

It looks to me that any 777 acquired will ge on the pre-merger Delta side and any more 747's or 787's acquired would be on the pre-merger NW side.

Denny

No- you have your DB AND our DC. Why would you not want that for us? All we're asking for is the same as you- our frozen DB and the same DC you now have.

Soup

Could there be the weird case where a junior Delta pilot bids the 777 just to be protected from a 767ER to DC9 displacement?

That tells you something about how out of whack this thing is at the bottom.

Soup, Bingo!!!