Junior at NW/DL? Here's some CPS flowdown info.
12-18-2008, 06:50 PM
#111
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,989
Originally Posted by Rogerthat
The term RD's is nothing but arrogance!
The term Delta pilots is just being nice.
BE NICE!
The term Delta pilots is just being nice.
BE NICE!
12-18-2008, 07:05 PM
#113
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Originally Posted by TCMC17RES
FWIW I have seen the NWA 742 at Dover AFB and in Germany twice this past week on the military charter contract. It does look sweet!
Speaking of cargo ops. What is the plan for the NWA Anchorage cargo operation. I thought that was a huge money maker. Or is the word from the top still that "there is no money in cargo"?
Speaking of cargo ops. What is the plan for the NWA Anchorage cargo operation. I thought that was a huge money maker. Or is the word from the top still that "there is no money in cargo"?
We will keep what we make money on. We are not giving up on cargo, just focusing on under wing. We may in fact have a new home for the 744's. Time will tell on that one!
12-19-2008, 07:08 AM
#114
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
742 will be around as long as it takes for us to get airplanes in their slots in NTR. DC-9's until late 2011-2012.
744 have a planned retirement, but if we need the lift I am sure they will stay. They were planned to go sometime in the early to middle of the next decade. Not going to get more specific than that.
744 have a planned retirement, but if we need the lift I am sure they will stay. They were planned to go sometime in the early to middle of the next decade. Not going to get more specific than that.
Thanks!
12-19-2008, 09:45 PM
#115
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: 175 CA
Posts: 114
It's official...this post is close to fizzling out.
If DL is going to cut close to 10% capacity, on average how many aircraft/crews would that equal? If you simply take 10% of the combined NW/DL fleet, I think you come up with around 650 pilots (assuming 10 pilots per jet average).
If that scenario were to play out, it is possible a furlough could be in the horizon. However, I understand early retirement requests are being denied at NW. Can anyone speak to this?
Quite frankly, it doesn't seem 650 pilots is enough to warrant a furlough considering:
1. guys want to retire.
2. oil is cheap offsetting a weak economy.
3. DL doesn't want to give up/open up their existing markets. It recent days, DL has announced new service in some markets. Also, Southwest is talking about going into new markets. I don't think DL/NW wants to scale back. Consider Southwest flying MSP-MDW. Certainly the worlds largest airline doesn't want to invite competition.
So, I'm an optimist...but I don't see a reason to be negative yet folks.
If DL is going to cut close to 10% capacity, on average how many aircraft/crews would that equal? If you simply take 10% of the combined NW/DL fleet, I think you come up with around 650 pilots (assuming 10 pilots per jet average).
If that scenario were to play out, it is possible a furlough could be in the horizon. However, I understand early retirement requests are being denied at NW. Can anyone speak to this?
Quite frankly, it doesn't seem 650 pilots is enough to warrant a furlough considering:
1. guys want to retire.
2. oil is cheap offsetting a weak economy.
3. DL doesn't want to give up/open up their existing markets. It recent days, DL has announced new service in some markets. Also, Southwest is talking about going into new markets. I don't think DL/NW wants to scale back. Consider Southwest flying MSP-MDW. Certainly the worlds largest airline doesn't want to invite competition.
So, I'm an optimist...but I don't see a reason to be negative yet folks.
12-20-2008, 12:46 AM
#116
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: M88B
Posts: 1,179
I heard they weren't looking for buyouts anymore from the flight crews? I also saw something about voluntary's not being extended to the flight crews? Someone was refering to this and saying this was proof DAL wasn't as fat as some say.
So I guess the question is what is the situation? Are the pushing for voluntary leaves or early outs...are the RSV's sitting or being used quite a bit. If the airline is actually quite fat on pilots it could be bad.
Also one other thing that came into play for the last flowbacks was the same training agreement in the ALPA contract. I have looked but can't find it now. I am almost sure I read somewhere that all flowdowns are put under the same 12 month training lock as newhires. Another words if they take the flowdown they are here for 12 months? Anybody see anything about that?
I'm also going to look but there was something in there about the flowback not accruing longivity while at Compass UNLESS they are called back and Compass needs them to stay at which time they continue to accrue...actually on both lists at that point. Of course they are always holding there seniority at DAL....I need some sleep but I'll try to look at some of these. It sounds like there are some differences in our to languages in the contracts.
So I guess the question is what is the situation? Are the pushing for voluntary leaves or early outs...are the RSV's sitting or being used quite a bit. If the airline is actually quite fat on pilots it could be bad.
Also one other thing that came into play for the last flowbacks was the same training agreement in the ALPA contract. I have looked but can't find it now. I am almost sure I read somewhere that all flowdowns are put under the same 12 month training lock as newhires. Another words if they take the flowdown they are here for 12 months? Anybody see anything about that?
I'm also going to look but there was something in there about the flowback not accruing longivity while at Compass UNLESS they are called back and Compass needs them to stay at which time they continue to accrue...actually on both lists at that point. Of course they are always holding there seniority at DAL....I need some sleep but I'll try to look at some of these. It sounds like there are some differences in our to languages in the contracts.
12-20-2008, 07:36 AM
#118
Looking for a laugh
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,099
Originally Posted by aircraftdriver
If DL is going to cut close to 10% capacity, on average how many aircraft/crews would that equal? If you simply take 10% of the combined NW/DL fleet, I think you come up with around 650 pilots (assuming 10 pilots per jet average).
12-20-2008, 08:29 AM
#119
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: B-7ER JFK
Posts: 931
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
DAL is overstaffed, but not to the point where they feel they will trigger the flow.
FWIW, if the loads improve we could be quite short here this summer. It all depends on the next few months!
FWIW, if the loads improve we could be quite short here this summer. It all depends on the next few months!
