Junior at NW/DL? Here's some CPS flowdown info.
12-16-2008, 01:42 PM
#93
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
guess that the rumor Compass was sold is false since they are moving the headquarters to MSP along with DCI headquarters. Sorry Republic guys
I don't see a lot of value to selling Compass. They can't just cx the flow through/flow down without consequences. They also lose control of some of the larger RJs, so I just don't think they would sell them anyway, although I'm sure some of the Replublic were hoping they would. I can see you were implying the same thing.
12-16-2008, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
, although I'm sure some of the Replublic were hoping they would. I can see you were implying the same thing.
12-16-2008, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by G-Dog
I don't think we would want our management to buy Compass. Why would we want more people ****ed off at us?
Good point. And besides that, which certificate would they go on? Don't you have E170s on the Republic and Shuttle certificates? That would be even more of a mess.
12-17-2008, 08:39 AM
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I've been thinking about the fact that we stopped hiring at 320 people, and what it means. I alluded to this in my original post but never got around to talking about it. Management claimed they stopped at 320 because over the next year there will always be one plane in the paint shop, and there will be two spares. Well, the original plan of 360 pilots accounted for spares. I haven't heard that Delta is planning to give us less block hours than nwa was planning to; with the new capacity cuts to mainline I'd kinda expect the opposite to hold true. We're almost at 320 line pilots *now* and junior manning nearly daily with one or two planes left to be delivered.
Here at Compass we've mostly interpreted this to be typical redtail BS, and that R Coultier was simply blowing sunshine up our butts all along when he kept saying "have patience, we don't intend to run a short-staffed airline." The thinking goes that they'll run a short staffed airline as long as the flights get covered, whether that happens through people picking up trips or junior-manning.
But maybe there's a deeper method to the madness. Perhaps they're still intended on going to 360 pilots, but are stopping at 320 until Delta flows down the other 40? While that's certainly a small number, 40 would help a bit on the overstaffing at DL/NW, and it'd be essentially cost-free to send them to Compass since CPS would just be training them in lieu of newhires off the street. If Delta told them to hold off at 320 to prepare for some flowdowns, it would explain why they made the decision to stop at 320 so suddenly, even cancelling classes that'd already had newhires assigned.
If only 40 are flowed down, that's pretty close to a best case scenario. Then again that could just be the start.
Here at Compass we've mostly interpreted this to be typical redtail BS, and that R Coultier was simply blowing sunshine up our butts all along when he kept saying "have patience, we don't intend to run a short-staffed airline." The thinking goes that they'll run a short staffed airline as long as the flights get covered, whether that happens through people picking up trips or junior-manning.
But maybe there's a deeper method to the madness. Perhaps they're still intended on going to 360 pilots, but are stopping at 320 until Delta flows down the other 40? While that's certainly a small number, 40 would help a bit on the overstaffing at DL/NW, and it'd be essentially cost-free to send them to Compass since CPS would just be training them in lieu of newhires off the street. If Delta told them to hold off at 320 to prepare for some flowdowns, it would explain why they made the decision to stop at 320 so suddenly, even cancelling classes that'd already had newhires assigned.
If only 40 are flowed down, that's pretty close to a best case scenario. Then again that could just be the start.
12-17-2008, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
I've been thinking about the fact that we stopped hiring at 320 people, and what it means. I alluded to this in my original post but never got around to talking about it. Management claimed they stopped at 320 because over the next year there will always be one plane in the paint shop, and there will be two spares. Well, the original plan of 360 pilots accounted for spares. I haven't heard that Delta is planning to give us less block hours than nwa was planning to; with the new capacity cuts to mainline I'd kinda expect the opposite to hold true. We're almost at 320 line pilots *now* and junior manning nearly daily with one or two planes left to be delivered.
Here at Compass we've mostly interpreted this to be typical redtail BS, and that R Coultier was simply blowing sunshine up our butts all along when he kept saying "have patience, we don't intend to run a short-staffed airline." The thinking goes that they'll run a short staffed airline as long as the flights get covered, whether that happens through people picking up trips or junior-manning.
But maybe there's a deeper method to the madness. Perhaps they're still intended on going to 360 pilots, but are stopping at 320 until Delta flows down the other 40? While that's certainly a small number, 40 would help a bit on the overstaffing at DL/NW, and it'd be essentially cost-free to send them to Compass since CPS would just be training them in lieu of newhires off the street. If Delta told them to hold off at 320 to prepare for some flowdowns, it would explain why they made the decision to stop at 320 so suddenly, even cancelling classes that'd already had newhires assigned.
If only 40 are flowed down, that's pretty close to a best case scenario. Then again that could just be the start.
Here at Compass we've mostly interpreted this to be typical redtail BS, and that R Coultier was simply blowing sunshine up our butts all along when he kept saying "have patience, we don't intend to run a short-staffed airline." The thinking goes that they'll run a short staffed airline as long as the flights get covered, whether that happens through people picking up trips or junior-manning.
But maybe there's a deeper method to the madness. Perhaps they're still intended on going to 360 pilots, but are stopping at 320 until Delta flows down the other 40? While that's certainly a small number, 40 would help a bit on the overstaffing at DL/NW, and it'd be essentially cost-free to send them to Compass since CPS would just be training them in lieu of newhires off the street. If Delta told them to hold off at 320 to prepare for some flowdowns, it would explain why they made the decision to stop at 320 so suddenly, even cancelling classes that'd already had newhires assigned.
If only 40 are flowed down, that's pretty close to a best case scenario. Then again that could just be the start.
Good read and you are correct it is quite possible. A few things. If it is only 40 I can tell you where they will come from. Second, because of the cost associated with the flow down, it is in DAL's best interest to only flow the number of bodies it knows it can keep off the mainline property for over two and a half years. Right now they are waiting to see what the outcome of the next three months is. If it is good, not much will happen, but if we see our loads off more than they are now, you will (IMHO) see DAL flush the CPZ list to save money. It will then, IMHO be populated with Delta folks.
12-17-2008, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
I've been thinking about the fact that we stopped hiring at 320 people, and what it means. I alluded to this in my original post but never got around to talking about it. Management claimed they stopped at 320 because over the next year there will always be one plane in the paint shop, and there will be two spares. Well, the original plan of 360 pilots accounted for spares. I haven't heard that Delta is planning to give us less block hours than nwa was planning to; with the new capacity cuts to mainline I'd kinda expect the opposite to hold true. We're almost at 320 line pilots *now* and junior manning nearly daily with one or two planes left to be delivered.
Here at Compass we've mostly interpreted this to be typical redtail BS, and that R Coultier was simply blowing sunshine up our butts all along when he kept saying "have patience, we don't intend to run a short-staffed airline." The thinking goes that they'll run a short staffed airline as long as the flights get covered, whether that happens through people picking up trips or junior-manning.
But maybe there's a deeper method to the madness. Perhaps they're still intended on going to 360 pilots, but are stopping at 320 until Delta flows down the other 40? While that's certainly a small number, 40 would help a bit on the overstaffing at DL/NW, and it'd be essentially cost-free to send them to Compass since CPS would just be training them in lieu of newhires off the street. If Delta told them to hold off at 320 to prepare for some flowdowns, it would explain why they made the decision to stop at 320 so suddenly, even cancelling classes that'd already had newhires assigned.
If only 40 are flowed down, that's pretty close to a best case scenario. Then again that could just be the start.
Here at Compass we've mostly interpreted this to be typical redtail BS, and that R Coultier was simply blowing sunshine up our butts all along when he kept saying "have patience, we don't intend to run a short-staffed airline." The thinking goes that they'll run a short staffed airline as long as the flights get covered, whether that happens through people picking up trips or junior-manning.
But maybe there's a deeper method to the madness. Perhaps they're still intended on going to 360 pilots, but are stopping at 320 until Delta flows down the other 40? While that's certainly a small number, 40 would help a bit on the overstaffing at DL/NW, and it'd be essentially cost-free to send them to Compass since CPS would just be training them in lieu of newhires off the street. If Delta told them to hold off at 320 to prepare for some flowdowns, it would explain why they made the decision to stop at 320 so suddenly, even cancelling classes that'd already had newhires assigned.
If only 40 are flowed down, that's pretty close to a best case scenario. Then again that could just be the start.
