CAL new hire pay
#101
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: 73 CA EWR
Posts: 514
I did what our union ASKED ME TO DO. I guess the next time our union needs me to support something I'll tell them to shove it. Better yet, since it bothers you so much that I apparently supported something the union wanted me to, I'll quit supporting the union and support management instead! How's that grab you Wilbur? NOW you should be happy. And for your information, how I voted on the contract is really none of your business either, it's MY decision, not YOURs. So for the record, how about minding YOUR own business and not mine.
#102
HOSED BY PBS AGAIN
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,713
So just to be clear here, are you upset that you voted yes on the last contract because the union asked you to or because it is a really lousy contract? Also, just what is your position on whether you support the union or management? And last, why are you so emotional?
#103
HOSED BY PBS AGAIN
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,713
No offense, but there are several times I've voted no, even though my union recommended yes. I did so because I felt that they had signed off an a substandard or concessionary contract. You should only vote the way you feel about a contract, that it is fair for all pilots on your list, not just the way management or the union want you to.
#104
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: 73 CA EWR
Posts: 514
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I had quite a few very senior pilots (many who've since retired), talk to me about the state of our airline, the industry, etc., before I voted. Many pilots say they will NEVER vote YES, regardless of how good a contract is. How smart is that? I watched DAL, UAL, and a few others dance into BK, and their pilots got HOSED......just look at their retirements, furloughs, etc., and it's STILL going on. Sure I'd like $565 an hour for a CA and $495 an hour for an FO, but let's be realistic, when things AREN'T going well and you're losing your shirt, it's hard to tell your company to F-OFF, isn't it? When you're armed with a slingshot and the company has an M-60 tank barrel aimed at you, what do you do? I know a lot of pilots who come on this forum and TALK smack, but I highly doubt any of them would actually go up to their CEO and tell them off. If they did, they'd be joining the unemployment line. But when it comes down to it, I pay my union dues and EXPECT my union reps to do what is right by me and my fellow pilots. Do they always get it right? Not hardly, but if I don't support them in their endeavors, what's the use in having them, right?
#105
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: Same Day, 1/2 Pay
Posts: 48
So you're saying you left a company that spent time and money training you, and gave you financial shelter at a difficult time, for your own personal gain? Sounds very similar to those pilots you described leaving CAL for higher paying jobs.
#106
I wear my ALPA pin to help the Union remember who they work for. A lot of people are spending a lot of energy arguing over the past contract. If we spent 2/3 of that energy on our current negotiations we might actually achieve something we can be proud of as well as worth. Dwelling on the past does no good. Learn from history, achieve a better future. Dwell on history, get stuck in the past.
Quan, out.
Quan, out.
#107
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: 73 CA EWR
Posts: 514
I wear my ALPA pin to help the Union remember who they work for. A lot of people are spending a lot of energy arguing over the past contract. If we spent 2/3 of that energy on our current negotiations we might actually achieve something we can be proud of as well as worth. Dwelling on the past does no good. Learn from history, achieve a better future. Dwell on history, get stuck in the past.
Quan, out.
Quan, out.
#108
HOSED BY PBS AGAIN
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,713
Wow.......ANOTHER rocket scientist observation...... CALEX WAS a part of CAL (they OWNED a LARGE percentage of them, remember?), so NO, I didn't leave the company. Even their NAME: CONTINENTAL Express (SAME NAME, SEE?) They had a flow back/flow through. When you're part of the SAME company, you do things like that, not that I expected you to know or understand such basic information. Same uniform, same airport, same terminal, same seniority list for travel, etc. How is that leaving? Any more ridiculous questions?
Last edited by ewrbasedpilot; 02-20-2009 at 04:36 AM.
#110
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: Out
Posts: 448
Well.... The company executives are making way more that. Since 9/11 some legacy carriers gave their management 800% pay rises, so maybe you could make that much after all... Pilots should stop thinking that their pay can make or break the airline. If a 737 FO at CAL gets an average of $85 an hour then on flight to from EWR to CLE each passenger pays that pilot less than $1 to take them safely from point A to Point B.
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