NWA Ratifies TA
05-04-2006, 02:50 PM
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The New Reality
Yes, these new TAs mark the continuing shift toward a salary/compensation level for experienced mainline captains that is roughly equal to other "specialized skilled" professions, such as big-city policemen, senior electricians and plumbers, family doctors, computer systems managers, etc. In other words, the old pilot gravy train is not only dead, it ain't ever being reborn.
The new typical top-level compensation for experienced mainline captains will settle around the 100-120K mark, depending on the health of the airline. For the average American, that's a fine salary. You can live very well and raise a family in almost any medium or small-sized city in the US on that (assuming it's not a boutique suburb of some place like San Francisco, of course, but rather someplace like Danville, VA). But the new compensation is going to be a fraction of what captains were making just six years ago -- and I fear it's going to shatter the dreams and motivation of a lot of pilots. My only hope is that those who can't cope with the new world of aviation find something else to do before it's too late for them!
The new typical top-level compensation for experienced mainline captains will settle around the 100-120K mark, depending on the health of the airline. For the average American, that's a fine salary. You can live very well and raise a family in almost any medium or small-sized city in the US on that (assuming it's not a boutique suburb of some place like San Francisco, of course, but rather someplace like Danville, VA). But the new compensation is going to be a fraction of what captains were making just six years ago -- and I fear it's going to shatter the dreams and motivation of a lot of pilots. My only hope is that those who can't cope with the new world of aviation find something else to do before it's too late for them!
05-04-2006, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 2dotslow
As dismal a day as this may be, the Delta line will follow in lockstep. Any payscale is better than no payscale. The bloom is off the rose, and the airline industry is finally falling back into reality...at least by comparative salaries with professions like teachers, cops, etc.
Originally Posted by Seaber
Yes, these new TAs mark the continuing shift toward a salary/compensation level for experienced mainline captains that is roughly equal to other "specialized skilled" professions, such as big-city policemen, senior electricians and plumbers, family doctors, computer systems managers, etc. In other words, the old pilot gravy train is not only dead, it ain't ever being reborn.
The new typical top-level compensation for experienced mainline captains will settle around the 100-120K mark, depending on the health of the airline. For the average American, that's a fine salary. You can live very well and raise a family in almost any medium or small-sized city in the US on that (assuming it's not a boutique suburb of some place like San Francisco, of course, but rather someplace like Danville, VA). But the new compensation is going to be a fraction of what captains were making just six years ago -- and I fear it's going to shatter the dreams and motivation of a lot of pilots. My only hope is that those who can't cope with the new world of aviation find something else to do before it's too late for them!
The new typical top-level compensation for experienced mainline captains will settle around the 100-120K mark, depending on the health of the airline. For the average American, that's a fine salary. You can live very well and raise a family in almost any medium or small-sized city in the US on that (assuming it's not a boutique suburb of some place like San Francisco, of course, but rather someplace like Danville, VA). But the new compensation is going to be a fraction of what captains were making just six years ago -- and I fear it's going to shatter the dreams and motivation of a lot of pilots. My only hope is that those who can't cope with the new world of aviation find something else to do before it's too late for them!
Go back to your cushy offices and get back to work.
05-04-2006, 04:24 PM
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Economic aspects aside, maybe management, shareholders, and the general public finally broke the code on the myth and hype of the major airline pilot's tough job. It has always amazed (and amused) me that the average person thought it was something extraordinary, when in reality it's a highly paid, lazy-man's profession. Even in the service, and at a much lower salary, it was intrinsically easy...but we had 'em all faked-out. Did they catch on to our collective bs on how our compensation barely matched the complicated process of flying airplanes, or was there a sellout by the higher-ups at both the company and union levels?
05-04-2006, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Allright, who told these D!ckhead management types they could start posting here?
Go back to your cushy offices and get back to work.
Go back to your cushy offices and get back to work.
05-04-2006, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 2dotslow
Economic aspects aside, maybe management, shareholders, and the general public finally broke the code on the myth and hype of the major airline pilot's tough job. It has always amazed (and amused) me that the average person thought it was something extraordinary, when in reality it's a highly paid, lazy-man's profession. Even in the service, and at a much lower salary, it was intrinsically easy...but we had 'em all faked-out. Did they catch on to our collective bs on how our compensation barely matched the complicated process of flying airplanes, or was there a sellout by the higher-ups at both the company and union levels?
FY
05-04-2006, 07:05 PM
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Its all supply and demand....europe has a pilot shortage thats why Ryanair Capts are making 160k a year. All we need is few R/J's to crash and then the FEDERALES will realize , hey if you need 1200hrs to fly as pilot in a Cessna 182 part 135 maybe you need more to fly as copilot in a r/j part 121.
05-04-2006, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Are you fu#@king kidding me. This jerk-off surely must be a management type that has never touched the controls of an aircraft. I've never ignored anyone on this website before so you sir, are a first. Good Riddance.
FY
FY
Guess you're one of the ten percenters who finds the flying game a tough nut to crack. OK, but to think you fly (purportedly) such a fine plane as a 757, and still think it's a hard task, wow. Saying that, I'll bet you passed almost half your checkrides on the first try...
05-05-2006, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 2dotslow
Fine with me. Guess you're one of the ten percenters who finds the flying game a tough nut to crack. OK, but to think you fly (purportedly) such a fine plane as a 757, and still think it's a hard task, wow. Saying that, I'll bet you passed almost half your checkrides on the first try...
Guess you're one of the ten percenters who finds the flying game a tough nut to crack. OK, but to think you fly (purportedly) such a fine plane as a 757, and still think it's a hard task, wow. Saying that, I'll bet you passed almost half your checkrides on the first try...Sounds to me like you're complacent. I hope you are never in the front of the plane I'm riding on.
05-05-2006, 05:14 AM
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Start out
Originally Posted by Bleedovertemp
Maybe you haven't flown with a 500 hour guy that tries to slip a jet to descend because he's done it 1000 times in his 172. Or the guy who chops the power at 100' because hes done it 1000 times in his piper arrow. Because thats all you're gonna get with rock bottom wages. Now tell me if this is a lazy man's job.
Sounds to me like you're complacent. I hope you are never in the front of the plane I'm riding on.
Sounds to me like you're complacent. I hope you are never in the front of the plane I'm riding on.
Everyone has to start out somewhere. I am sure that your first few landings in a jet were not perfect. In the military 500 hours is a high timer and they cross the globe in C-5's. It's all about the training and not necessarily in experience, though it always helps of course. I don't think the job is a lazy man's job (Kind of), but it isn't rocket science either.
SKyHigh
Mesa Airlines has proven time and time again that you can hire low time kids to operate a modern part 121 aircraft and they manage to find the airport most of the time.
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