That is why the LEC's need to be recalled to have a recall work.
It it is what you want, learn what you have to do to make it happen.

My beef with Lee is as follows:

1. He was quoted in numerous publications that he would not run for an additional term as MEC chair after the merger's DCC. He said if he were drafted, he would refuse to serve.

2. All the early indications are that his personal view of RJ's being good for Delta Airlines are what won the day. Even though the Chairman has no vote, his cult of personality won the day. THAT is a subversion of the democratic process created by ALPA.

Even if I agreed with Lee's position (which I do not), you can't have a one man show. It is too risky.

This is my beef with Lee. Any other questions?

Carl

Here is one for ya.

I have been getting a few indications that RJDC is seeing LOA 2006-10 as an infraction on its agreement with ALPA. RJDC's beef is that this LOA pertained to only its original signatory's. (NWA-DAL-CPA and Mesaba) Fact is that due to the fact that this LOA now applies to all DCI carrier is very important to all Delta pilots. As we are shrinking we need to realize that this now affords our pilots the ability through our CBA to have rights at other carriers. It was not unintentional.
What we need to do is make sure that our MEC and CNC do not sign a MOA with the RJDC and company that it only includes these carriers. If they do that it is only a further erosion of our CBA rites. I urge all of you to contract our representation and tell them what the importance of this NWA LOA 2006-10 is to all of us.

Show me those quotes. Even if true, so what? If the MEC wanted to get another Chairman they could have voted for someone else.

Show me those quotes. I hear a lot of second hand stuff about a guy who told a guy but nothing that ever has been written down. What you call a cult of personality, I call an election. It seems that people that lose an election always find a way to diminish the outcome by attacking those who voted differently than them. Do you really think all the MEC members are so brainwashed that they couldn't find someone else? Again, why didn't you run?

There is not a one man show. In fact, Lee is famous for finding people that disagree with him and bringing them into the MEC administration. Do you have any first hand experience with his work as MEC Chairman to back up your accusations or are you just shooting from the hip? It easy to make a public smear, it is more difficult to back it up with facts.

Well, it's probably a waste of time when you say: "where's the quote" then say "even if it's true, so what?" But here goes:

The first quote I read was from Lee printed in the AJC. He was on a bird hunting trip with a buddy, and he said the buddy asked if he would run again. His response was what I stated previously. That's where I first read it. I saw it since in previous emails. But I'm sure you'll say the AJC was lying and or the emails were misquotes.

I don't have quotes for this. It was the impression of my NWA contacts that witnessed the way Lee handled negotiations with the JCBA, and merger. In both cases, they were amazed at the way the other committee members were silent in the face of the MEC Chairman. Especially since the MEC Chairman was not even a member of either the negotiating committee or the merger committee. It was very clear to our side who was running the show.

Show me your quotes!!!! ;)

I've never met Lee, so I have no first hand experience of him. What I've written above is what I have to back up what I think. It explains how such a horrific judgement such as the scope cave-in could have happened. Especially since Lee is quoted as saying: "RJ's are good for Delta Airlines."

By the way, I would run if people really wanted me to. But I'm an old fart, and this is not rocket science. All you need is a person committed to the vigorous pursuit of the MEC's majority opinion. The person should be articulate, a great public speaker, and IMO, younger than me.

Carl

Careful. You're dangerously close to the real reason for Moak's cave-in on scope as well.
An ALPA National agenda. RJ drivers are the future.
Moak wants Prater's job.
2 + 2

Hmmmmmm........

Carl

I know and I know what is going on with this. I want it out there so people can e-mail their reps and make it well known that under no circumstances is scope or these LOA's for sale.

Well, I see two options:

1)Moak is out. I vote YES.

2)ALPA is out.

If we don't take action NOW, our jobs will continue to be outsourced. ALPA continues to support regionals, and it's a conflict of interest. ALPA cannot protect the career interests of mainline pilots & regional pilots. It clearly not working.

If its not a one man show then why were Reps not briefed on the matter until it was too late to give an input? That's a fact. I talked to my reps.