[quote=NuGuy;559354]Heyas Sailing,

That article referenced a cycle rate equivalent to 1998 utilization, which dropped significantly post 2001. NWA's own internal documents show airframe life well beyond 2012.

All the airframes are above 90,000 cycles as we speak. NWA originally thought there were timing out in 2010. Utilization has been lower and they can go to 2012. If you have questions on this or the fleet plan I would ask your reps for information from the MEC meeting last week. Lots of info was passed. I am not sure what is public knowledge and what is not so as I said ask your reps. I did not like the news.

Perfect example of WHY we need reassurance that Scope WILL be protected!

Not even close to what I was told by the Fleet Manager last year. Please stop spreading inaccurate info.

[quote=johnso29;559361]Ok, tell us what the accurate information is? The company has said all along they plan to retire the nines in 2012. They will require a major teardown at the point. Delta has said they will not make that investment. Its not a good thing for any Delta pilots however it is the fleet plan. Again talk to your reps about the meeting last week.

I just mentioned it several posts back. The NWA Fleetplan had the last DC9 retiring after 2020. Many DC9s aren't much past 60,000 cycles. That's what I was told just last year by the DC9 Fleet Manager. I have no doubt that plans have changed under the merged plans, but you continually insist the DC9s are incapable of flying past 2012. That is not accurate.

He has been poo pooing the DC9s since merger talk began.

Well in 1998 the DC-9 fleet had 65,000 to 70,000 cycles according to the NWA fleet manager. 10 years later you say they have less cycles now. I find that just a bit hard to believe. There is no doubt the airframes can go to 2020. I have never said they were incapable. What I have said is the current fleet plan is to have them all retired by the end of 2012. If they do the overhaul required around 100,000 cycles they can go to 200,000 cycles. There are no plans to do that overhaul. I have never seen a NWA fleet plan that had the aircraft flying to 2020. As you can see in 98 they planned to fly them to 2010. There was also a letter detailing NWA plans sent your MEC from NWA management. It was introduced as evidence at the hearings. Again your reps got a lot of info last week. Talk to them.

you just want to run up the ladder fast, no matter whom you stick it to. 2007, eh. Hmmm, I guess it is the integration you oppose mostly, is it not?

Yes, let's trust #'s from a news article that's over ten years old. We all know how accurate the media is. :rolleyes: The other night I heard them say the Colgan Q400 accident may have been caused by "carb icing". You also keep using the plan from 1998. I'm telling you what the plan was last year. A lot of things changed from 1998 to 2008. The company went through bankruptcy, and that changed a lot of plans.

Regardless, it's all a moot point because what we hear today will most likely change tomorrow. Heck, when asked about the plan for the DC9s DAL management said to investors "Yesterdays trash is todays treasure."

And today's treasure is tomorrows trash. His numbers and fleet plans are dead on. I see these 76 seat jets filling this gap nicely. :(