Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 558571)

Junior half: ACL is exactly right here. I would slap down any such effort to attempt a takeover based on half the seniority list.

The problem at DALPA right now is that the democratic foundation of our union is being perverted by a dictator. If the system was working, all parts of the list would be represented. That's why we have FO reps, Capt reps and reps from all bases. This by definition makes the representation disparate across the pilot group. But here's the problem: none of that matters if everything is run by the personality cult of one man.

The LEC needs to recall the current chairman and replace him with a person committed to aggressively stating and pursuing the majority view of the MEC. That single step will produce a better union that is closer to the hearts and minds of the pilot group.

Carl

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 559440)

Off course you know that in making that statement Moak did not negotiate the deal. That was done by the grievance committee appointed by the MEC. He is the approving authority for grievance settlements and approved it. This is how grievances have been handled since the first days of DALPA.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 559431)

And today's treasure is tomorrows trash. His numbers and fleet plans are dead on. I see these 76 seat jets filling this gap nicely. :(

Originally Posted by bigdaddie (Post 559435)

First off I will admit I've been drinking. I can't believe I'm going to say this but Carl, I agree 100% with you and your perspective. Ok, fine, there, I said it.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 559440)

Off course you know that in making that statement Moak did not negotiate the deal. That was done by the grievance committee appointed by the MEC. He is the approving authority for grievance settlements and approved it. This is how grievances have been handled since the first days of DALPA.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 559457)

I think you're off course with that statement. :D

The problem with DALPA as I see it, is that there are other committees - but they all seem to defer to the judgement of the MEC Chairman. That's a problem. We had a similar situation with NWALPA years ago. It ended very badly.

Carl

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 559449)

I know. I have no doubts about those numbers.:( I was just arguing that old NWA planned on flying them longer. But, as I said earlier it's a moot point. I also agree with sailingfun that management has ZERO intention of finding a Mainline 100 seat airplane. It's most likely our pilot group will shrink come 2013 when the retirements start(if not sooner due to furlough) because the DC9s will go to the boneyard and our flying will be further hoared out.:(

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 559347)

Once again, so much of what you post is utter Bullsh!t.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

So why aren't we there? What we can all see from the arbitration transcripts is that the whole idea was Lee Moak's. Not Dave Stevens, who tried to take credit, not John Prater who tried to take credit, the entire idea was Lee's.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Get involved up front, get stock, get contract benefits, get the seniority list done early, get the MEC's merged early, get working together so the merger benefited pilots and not just shareholders and senior management.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

this has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE in the history of labor and mergers. Never. Any industry, any labor group. It is easy to forget how ground breaking this was because it is all old hat now, as if this were the standard path.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

so much of what you post is utter Bullsh!t.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

The idea was so new and different, that the hardest people to get on board were the Northwest MEC members. They were constantly threatening to scuttle the process.