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TimoC 02-15-2009 07:55 AM

C'mon admit it, most of us watched the King tapes for the guys hot wife who stars in them

Careercfi 02-15-2009 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by de727ups (Post 559461)

I wasn't trying to incriminate. I was trying to stay on topic. But, since you asked, I think this one is "better".


"I do think that airline pilots today are little more than programmable humans who conduct a flight by following a highly scripted and choreographed series of rote memorized procedures and actions. They are manual driven flow chart following automatons who carry out the direction and decisions of others. Dispatch, maintenance control, Boeing engineers and ATC run the show. The pilots are spring loaded to react to situations in a pre-determined manner and if they run off the script will contact others for further direction. The mantra is "Do not think just do". Follow the procedure. Thinking gets pilots into trouble"

Skyhigh 11/19/2008
What kind of a man sits back.... oh well :p
This industry is soooo cruel. Soooooo cruel!
Why quit and then stick around a forum trying to kill dead flies? Makes no sense. Serves no purpose. Either sit it out like CA Sully did (you can always hope to be part of a lucky chain of events) or get out and become a Doctor.

None of the pilots I ever met would recommend flying for the airlines to their kids. It has taken them years and years to get to where they are.
Lots of hard work, and always the realization that it can be over for good tomorrow. The whole thing is nothing but a sand castle. I wonder how it is then still possible to recruit cheap labor and get so many people to spend all this good money for all this? Could someone explain? Why are the academies cranking out pilots like chocolate chips if a long timer like Sully makes $108K? Are you kidding? $108K, for this job?
:rolleyes:

Airhoss 02-15-2009 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by 727C47 (Post 559551)
i wouldnt trade my DC-3,and piston Convair time for all the tea in China !

Hey me too. All of my "heavy" piston time was in an L-18 Lodestar. But Those were some great memories. Including several engine shutdowns and one really fun in flight engine fire.:)

727C47 02-15-2009 10:46 AM

you fly round engines long enough ,you are bound to shut one or two down,i had plenty of smoke but no fire !

Ski Patrol 02-15-2009 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by Careercfi (Post 559647)

None of the pilots I ever met would recommend flying for the airlines to their kids. It has taken them years and years to get to where they are.
Lots of hard work, and always the realization that it can be over for good tomorrow. The whole thing is nothing but a sand castle. I wonder how it is then still possible to recruit cheap labor and get so many people to spend all this good money for all this? Could someone explain? Why are the academies cranking out pilots like chocolate chips if a long timer like Sully makes $108K? Are you kidding? $108K, for this job?
:rolleyes:

It's simple they all think if you study/work hard you will end up at FedEx/UPS/Southwest, never work and make bank. What they fail to realize is the aforementioned folks are statistical anomalies in the pilot career.
That and flying Cessna's is alot of fun, flying a jet must be even better.:cool:

Convairator 02-15-2009 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 559666)
Hey me too. All of my "heavy" piston time was in an L-18 Lodestar. But Those were some great memories. Including several engine shutdowns and one really fun in flight engine fire.:)

Amen, I think we are forunate to have had the opportunity to fly the old grizzly airplanes like these. It really makes me laugh when somebody says that their ERJ or CRJ is a piece of junk or an underperformer. Put them in a DC-3 or CV-340 with jugs shooting out of the cowling and climbing at -300 fpm. At that point, only 2 things can save you. Quick instincts and knowing how to fly the plane, or some extra wind off the leg of Chuck Norris after a jumping roundhouse kick to provide that extra lift to make a suitable field.

Careercfi 02-15-2009 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Ski Patrol (Post 559695)
It's simple they all think if you study/work hard you will end up at FedEx/UPS/Southwest, never work and make bank. What they fail to realize is the aforementioned folks are statistical anomalies in the pilot career.
That and flying Cessna's is alot of fun, flying a jet must be even better.:cool:

Thanks, so it is not us suffering from being "reality challenged".
It's those who run after empty promises, go overboard on debt and work for nothing just to keep it that way?

Wow, I'm still in awe about the 108K Sully supposedly makes. I though with his experience and long term commitment he would have hit at least 180-200K if not more. $108K is an insult!

I know Mechanics who top that. And they don't have a chance to kill 155 people everytime they screw something up. :(

Sideshow Bob 02-15-2009 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Careercfi (Post 559647)
What kind of a man sits back.... oh well :p
This industry is soooo cruel. Soooooo cruel!
Why quit and then stick around a forum trying to kill dead flies? Makes no sense. Serves no purpose. Either sit it out like CA Sully did (you can always hope to be part of a lucky chain of events) or get out and become a Doctor.

None of the pilots I ever met would recommend flying for the airlines to their kids. It has taken them years and years to get to where they are.
Lots of hard work, and always the realization that it can be over for good tomorrow. The whole thing is nothing but a sand castle. I wonder how it is then still possible to recruit cheap labor and get so many people to spend all this good money for all this? Could someone explain? Why are the academies cranking out pilots like chocolate chips if a long timer like Sully makes $108K? Are you kidding? $108K, for this job?
:rolleyes:

It is amazing how much time Sky (and maybe others) spend on a board that revolves completely around what he claims is such a worthless pursuit. The overwhelming majority here are already in the biz, well aware of its pitfalls and mindful of what might yet happen to the job, so the anti-mentor disguise is BS. For starters, I started in the '80's doing this for a living and I was never under the impression that I was guaranteed to make 300K/yr working half the month. After the turndown in '90 that showed me the door from USAir I did start looking more at business models and balance sheets than uniforms (although I still maintain the Delta double-breasted commodore outfit is hot :D) and flight attendants (well that has gotten much easier to look past considering American hiring practices) to decide where I would apply. And it took me years to get the interview here, and in the interim did what I had to do and diversified as needed so as not to get into debt. It wasn't brain surgery, just common sense if I managed it. So Sky for example (I think) went into real estate, which by most accounts has tanked as bad if not worse than aviation. Will he quit that soon too, and frequent ****ed Off Ex-Realtor.com telling the tens of thousands of out-of-work realtors and brokers to park their running E55 AMG in the garage and go to sleep? Some people are pre-disposed to give up (and some in an apparently angry toddler fashion) and then spend enormous amounts of time trying to convince themselves that it was somebody else's fault under the guise of being the wise noble sage.

At least have the dignity to admit it to yourself and go save would-be realtors from delusions of success.

thepotato232 02-16-2009 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Careercfi (Post 559705)
I know Mechanics who top that. And they don't have a chance to kill 155 people everytime they screw something up. :(

They don't?

Oh wait, you must be talking about car mechanics. It's not like there are many airline A&Ps breaking six figures these days.

SkyHigh 02-16-2009 09:45 AM

Sully
 
Man you guys are right. Sullenberger should keep his whining toddler tantrums to himself and quit the profession already. Some are quitters and complainers while others are born to take the abuse. Why go onto a national format and complain? Who cares if his family has sacrificed? Why should anyone care what he thinks of the future prospects in the industry? There are sacrifices to be made in every profession. This career just isn't cut out for everyone.

Most will not make to the left seat of a MD-11 at FedEx. Everyone knows that. For some reason he didn't make it to the big time. Boo Hoo. He must not have tried very hard or made some kind of mistake. Why cry about it now? If he loved the profession he would keep his trap shut and be thankful that the company provides him with an A320 to fly.

Love it or leave it man. ;) It is what it is.

Skyhigh


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