Delta can add 76 seaters to the mainline anytime they want so selling it to the company as a advantage on that count is not likely. Bringing Compass onboard does no good at all unless you scope all 76 seaters. To get a change in scope is not going to be easy and I can't imagine the company agreeing to reopen the contract prior to negotiations at the amendable date. If they do agree to open the contract I would suspect they would require it to be a section 6 opening which puts every aspect of the contract on the table.
Remember we don't control the seniority list. We can't staple or merge compass. Those are management funtions. We can ask and we can push the issue but since we have a signed contract with a amendable date the company can simply say no and that is the end of the story.
Every advantage to the company they have long ago looked at. They have made a choice its cheaper to outsource the flying. If we want it back the reality is that there is only one way that is going to happen. A full section 6 negotiation followed by a strike. Absent a strike the company will never ever give the flying back. I am more then willing to strike over this issue. What I see on this forum however is a lot of pilots who seem to think if ALPA were to decide that we want this it will happen. Thats not the way it works. If we want this flying we need to scope all the 76 seat flying. We will only achieve that with a strike and even that is far from a sure thing.

At some point every pilot on Compass seniorty will be at Mainline unless there is some "devil in the details" change of mind. What would mangament's or ALPA's fuss be given us a slotted seniorty number at the bottom of the current list.

First...

it would protect the current compass union dues paying members with a seniorty slot in the event Delta starts to hire in the next 1-2 years (big "if" I know)

Second...

to protect the other part of NWA's LEC/MEC union brothers. Unfortunatly, NWA's LEC/MEC was only looking out for the Mainline guys interest in the merger. They never once represented the Compass guys who are in fact part of the same LEC/MEC's at NWA. My union dues go to Mainline NWA ALPA, NOT Compass ALPA. The heartburn in this whole merger is that Compass was never represented at the bargaining table during the merging of seniorty lists (not like we were asking to be slotted just make sure that if anybody else is hired it is below the Compass pilots). I ask one fundemental question WHY NOT? You take the pilots union dues and then say "well we kept your flow thru" I would sure as hell hope so... it was in our contract that doesn't open up for years... Did Mainline NWA ALPA reps try and negotiate the Compass Contract away (won't supprise me, since again Mainline NWA ALPA is Compasses negiotating unit) We received no changes, for the better or the worse, in our contract during the merger negioations, (simply put, Compass was not worth the NWA ALPA's fight.. seems odd as well since they were constantly going to IAD on Compass flights can't imagine they forgot about us). I honestly think the NWA ALPA reps think they somehow represented the best interests of there union dues paying brothers at Compass. I would argue they did nothing and could care less about compass other then a place to park there a$$ in case of furlough. I am trying to recall a time in this industry that a group of pilots represented by the same ALPA LEC/MEC's were NOT addressed in a merger?

I think it is a great start.

But bare in mind that Lee Moak will probably fight this to the bitter end. He does not make decisions based on what others want. Only the company and himself. And for all you FNWA guys out there you are getting about as much representation from Lee Moak as CPZ guys are.

you guys are out of your mind if you think it is just as hard to get hired at Compass as it is DAL/NWA ...................they are like every other regional out there....... the requirement is a warm body and willing to fly for free.........

Correct; although the process was supervised & set up by NW to match their own hiring practices, we hired many people who probably would not have been hired yet at NW due to lack of turbine PIC. I was one of them.

Incorrect, must meet ATP minimums. We're the only regional that has required this the last few years, that I'm aware of. Well over half of our pilots were captains at their last airline and there are very few without prior airline experience (those are corporate & charter guys, no CFIs I know about). So no, not like every other regional.

I think all the 76 seat planes need to be at mainline. But here's the bigger question, If you get the Compass 76 seat planes stapled there, why don't the Mesaba, ASA, Comair, Skywest, ect. 76 seat planes also get stapled?
Not sure about anyone else but Mesaba has the same flow possibilities as Compass FYI.

Well, maybe not the time requirements, but the pay/contract is not any better then the average regional, and if they do require ATP mins then the pay should be even that much higher, not to mention the fact that the 175 is a 90 pax plane

I think the concensus is we as a pilot group want ALL 76 seat flying back. However, there are many more obstacles with Mesaba, ASA, Comair, & Skywest.

The Compass pilots came on knowing about the Flow Through agreement, and due to the fact that Compass has been in existence for a short time there are a lot less lifers that have invested a lot less time in that regional. We all know about how senior many Comair/ASA pilots are, and many actually object to coming to Mainline for a variety of reason.

Bringing Compass on would be a good starting point, as it would be the first small battle in what has become a very large war.

Compass is the best option to getting 76 seat flying back. Nothing is perfect but it is the best option. Look at this way, if DAL every got 76 seater back to mainline then there will be more opportunities here for guys from DCI than there will be from this point forward. And besides, at Skywest, Comair, ASA and so on, are you going to take furloughed DAL pilots on top? Compass is. Compass also has a smaller fleet of the aircraft we want. The main mission though is getting 76 seaters here now.

I'll be writing my reps and talking to the crew I'm flying with today.

I'm in. Everyone else?
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When we get those, we have won the argument to get those jets too. There are a lot of bigger issues with the other DCI carrier. Some fly for other carriers, all have other MEC's. CPZ for now does not.