Can we please REGULATE AVIATION once again ?
03-03-2009 | 10:06 AM
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I don't think it is a matter of self worth so much as desperation for a job that drives pilots to work for so little.
I am a good example of a pilot who is sidelined until a job comes along that suits my needs. I can not accept a position that would make me commute across the country, virtually abandoning my family, for 28K. Plenty of others will however.
Skyhigh
I am a good example of a pilot who is sidelined until a job comes along that suits my needs. I can not accept a position that would make me commute across the country, virtually abandoning my family, for 28K. Plenty of others will however.
Skyhigh
You've determined what your self-worth is, what your price is essentially, and you've decided that your not willing to work for less than that.
We need more pilots, to set a standard for themselves.
03-03-2009 | 10:19 AM
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This is simply not a true statement. There is plenty of documented history of mental and physical breakdowns directly related to work rules and the environment. The NTSB, among many others individuals, have submitted paper after paper on the direct correlation between work conditions and safety. The FAA simply CHOOSES to ignore such statements and, seemingly, only judges accidents with death as a breach of safety. I see the safety issues at risk nearly every day I show up to work and, therefore, my workload increases significantly.
As was ingrained into my head many years ago, please do not correlate airplane crashes with safety. The slippery slope begins far before an actual accident and, in my opinion, we are closer to more incidents or accidents today than we ever were simply from the environment that management is allowed to create.
The correct statement should be that the flying public should feel safe, by default, seeing that they don't have all the details that employees do.
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03-03-2009 | 10:31 AM
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03-03-2009 | 10:35 AM
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[QUOTE=AU96;571098]
It takes two years of student paid apprenticeship to be able to cut hair and three to six months to become an airline pilot.
Most people would not let a brand new hair stylist mess with their hair but will eagerly climb aboard a regional jet with a pilot who only has a few hundred hours.
Skyhigh
Most people would not let a brand new hair stylist mess with their hair but will eagerly climb aboard a regional jet with a pilot who only has a few hundred hours.
Skyhigh
03-03-2009 | 10:38 AM
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[quote=SkyHigh;571134]
It takes two years of student paid apprenticeship to be able to cut hair and three to six months to become an airline pilot.
Most people would not let a brand new hair stylist mess with their hair but will eagerly climb aboard a regional jet with a pilot who only has a few hundred hours.
Skyhigh
DOES IT REALLY? IF YOU LEARN HOW IT FLIGHT VIA
MICROSOFT SIMULATOR MAYBE.
It takes two years of student paid apprenticeship to be able to cut hair and three to six months to become an airline pilot.
Most people would not let a brand new hair stylist mess with their hair but will eagerly climb aboard a regional jet with a pilot who only has a few hundred hours.
Skyhigh
DOES IT REALLY? IF YOU LEARN HOW IT FLIGHT VIA
MICROSOFT SIMULATOR MAYBE.
03-03-2009 | 10:49 AM
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This is simply not a true statement. There is plenty of documented history of mental and physical breakdowns directly related to work rules and the environment. The NTSB, among many others individuals, have submitted paper after paper on the direct correlation between work conditions and safety. The FAA simply CHOOSES to ignore such statements and, seemingly, only judges accidents with death as a breach of safety. I see the safety issues at risk nearly every day I show up to work and, therefore, my workload increases significantly.
As was ingrained into my head many years ago, please do not correlate airplane crashes with safety. The slippery slope begins far before an actual accident and, in my opinion, we are closer to more incidents or accidents today than we ever were simply from the environment that management is allowed to create.
The correct statement should be that the flying public should feel safe, by default, seeing that they don't have all the details that employees do.
As was ingrained into my head many years ago, please do not correlate airplane crashes with safety. The slippery slope begins far before an actual accident and, in my opinion, we are closer to more incidents or accidents today than we ever were simply from the environment that management is allowed to create.
The correct statement should be that the flying public should feel safe, by default, seeing that they don't have all the details that employees do.
Skyhigh
03-03-2009 | 10:53 AM
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Where have you been?
[QUOTE=Chiledelaire;571136]
Where have you been over the last few years? Did you miss the regional hiring phenomenon? Pilots with as little as 200 hours were getting hired to fly for the regionals. Pick up a Flying Magazine and you will see ad's promising to make you into an airline pilot in just a few months.
Skyhigh
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03-03-2009 | 10:56 AM
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OK campers, now let's have some REAL fun...
The regional industry and RJ's would not have such a low pay scale or entry levels of experience had their "big brothers" stood up and said "we support you and will not accept this."
Nope, not as an industry. No pickets, no nothing of substance. Neither did ALPA.
SkyHigh, with all respect, I don't know how long you've been in this business, but some of your theories sound just like Frank Lorenzo's...
Speaking of which...do you know why the Eastern pilots went on strike?
The regional industry and RJ's would not have such a low pay scale or entry levels of experience had their "big brothers" stood up and said "we support you and will not accept this."
Nope, not as an industry. No pickets, no nothing of substance. Neither did ALPA.
SkyHigh, with all respect, I don't know how long you've been in this business, but some of your theories sound just like Frank Lorenzo's...
Speaking of which...do you know why the Eastern pilots went on strike?
03-03-2009 | 11:02 AM
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You're mistaken on the term "fair market price" with a temporarily agreeable price.
When one side of a collectively bargained contract has all the information, government assistance and court leverage, wages can be dictated and are not necessarily fair. Now, give the labor groups more leverage with an admended RLA and we'll get a little closer to fair.
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