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Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 589804)

Keep the talent? Last I heard the unemployment rate was at 8.5%. I bet they could find some pretty damn good talent in that pool if they looked, and I bet they'd be cheap.

I realize I could get flamed here for saying this and want to point out that I am no defendant of ridiculous bonuses...but isn't that argument exactly what everyone on here hates about the pilot group? Blasting the guy that is willing to work for less and lowers the bar for the rest? We all hate the guy who goes non-union and will work for table scraps so it just seems to me that this statement is a little hypocritical in a sense.

Table scraps for an AA exec is still more than you'll ever make as a pilot, no matter who you fly for..

Hold the line! Dont give up on scope!

Max AE FO

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Originally Posted by 402Fanatic (Post 589845)

The problem most of us have with the recently publicized bonuses is that the executives didn't deserve them based on their performance. That's what Pilotfrog was referring to I'll bet. I have no problem whatsoever giving a bonus to a talented manager with a profitable track record. Bonuses for the talented ensure that you keep the talented. Bonuses for executives regardless of performance is the rub. If your company has poor executive talent, you're better off paying less for a new kid right out of MBA school. He/she couldn't do much worse - as witnessed by AIG, GM, Chrysler, Bear Stearns, etc....

Carl

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Originally Posted by MAXforwardspeed (Post 589868)

Hold the line! Dont give up on scope!

Max AE FO

Yes the APA needs to be hard negotiators, be firm... be like this guy (got to read the captions) especially the note about the shoes....

YouTube - ENZYTE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Unw...om=PL&index=23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC5Ls...CF4D1&index=25

Notice the Captain and FO's salute in the last video.

Come on guys! Keep strong and focused...dont budge! Get what you are worth!

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 589812)

Interesting lines being drawn on the APA scope debate.

According to management's posting, American is basically looking for Delta scope. Expansion into the use of 76 seat RJ's and deleting specific references to American Eagle, so they can start the bidding (a'la Delta Connection).

APA responds with a proposal that American Airlines pilots perform all American flying with the provision for an eventual merger of Eagle.

American's management is basically arguing the same position as D-ALPA. That bringing flying to mainline would drive up costs unacceptably (or as as ALPA says it, would drive the mainline pay down unacceptably).

For all of us, it is interesting to watch it unfold. As a Delta pilot, I'm pulling for the APA.

AA and Eagle merging under a 76 seat scope agreement would be disasterous. Within minutes, AA would gain several thousand employees, then furlough 60% of them and farm out 76 seat flying to Air Pakistan or some BS regional startup. Flight schools would rejoice because of all the "new jobs."

This profession has already given up too much scope. Look where it got us today!

Has either side mentioned "impasse" yet ?

FF

Sure - that's all American pilots need. Ten different regionals all running around with "American Connection" painted on the side. Worked great for Delta.

Hold strong on scope. Don't let up.