I don’t know what AMR really wants because I am a AE pilot not top management. I do think AE and all the other subsidiary companies that AMR own are used to hide money. AMR is in business to make a profit. If a key part of the business was not making money it would be changed or shut down.

That may be the future of Eagle. But I also don’t think Eagle will get any new airplanes until the APA contract is finished. Why would AMR buy “fast efficient Q400’s” when they can try to get E-190’s out of APA.

I do think AMR, AA, and AE will change when APA is finished with the next contract. It is up to AA pilots (APA) on how that will be done.

Don’t GIVE UP SCOPE!!!

On a second note…

I would love to have an AA AE staple but would also be ecstatic for an AE preferential hiring at AA. That way you would weed out all the eaglefly’s. I shouldn’t be wishing for things on your contract! Good luck guys! Don’t give up scope!

Max

:confused: Are you for real? You are willing to turn yourself and all the other Eagle pilots into AA furlough fodder or accept a system where only the suck ups are hired? I hope for Eagle's sake you are in the minority. All regional pilots should be ashamed of someone so willing bend over for someone else.

I understand what you’re saying. The sad truth is we are flight AA routes. Nevertheless AE pilots did not get this flying because we are willing to work for less. AA pilots (APA) gave them (scope) up to protect pay and pension. Who made the mistake? We both did. For our industry to change for the better long term we both need to make sacrifices.

I cannot ask APA to take back AE flying improving my pay and work rules. Then expect APA to make the sacrifices for me. It’s sad to say if we AE and AA want to improve the airlines and the industry we are both going to bleed.

I am sorry if you disagree but that’s what this forum is all about. I am willing to take a short term beating to protect the industry for the CFI’s, future FO’s and long term myself. Weird… It’s like I am not a pilot …

Yes, I think you're correct. Until the contract is settled AMR isn't going to do anything with AE. AMR doesn't want AE/other outsourcers to be just feeders. They want them to gradually replace a good part of narrow body domestic flying.

As far as a staple or any other integration, I can't see that happening ever. There's still a very big number of AA pilots on furlough and I can't see them being bypassed in favor of AE pilots when the flying AE does is permitted is by exception to the APAs scope.

As far as preferential hiring, AMR isn't going to go for that because it limits their flexibility to hire perhaps more experienced civil and military pilots when available and doubles training costs (cost of replacing an AE flowup). We saw how absurd the flow-thru program deteriorated into with just a trickle of flow-thrus allowed by AMR.

A lot hinges on this next contract. I think it will either be the turning point to the good for the profession, or the defeat of the concept of the professional pilot.

July 09' will be 6 years of furlough from my friends at AMR.

I was a 1995 TWA hire with probably 1000 names behind me on furlough.

FF

It has been more than seven years for me. When it's all said and done, it will very likely be a ten year furlough as I don't expect to get recalled for another three or four years - about the time the old geezers finally begin retiring at age 65.

Just FYI-

My wife is a Florida Supreme Court Mediator and does Divorces all the time.

There is no 'grading' system, formal or informal, in Florida. Cases are assigned to Court Appointed mediators on a round robin basis or you can hire a private mediator.

Reaching an impasse is no big deal.

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but once again you've missed the high-speed turnoff and have rolled into the grass. You failed to consider that most of the "eaglefly's" ALREADY have AA seniority numbers, so no plucking for them.

Please contact CFR on 122.87, for your evacuation instructions.

Proof that the "flow-through" was a failure. We get stuck with guys like Eaglefly that couldn't pass an interview at any major because of obvious "social deficiencies."

Also proof that the interview process is also equally flawed, as you demonstrate. Your fellow pilots get stuck with mentally unstable fruitcakes such as yourself, because AA had no decent psych test.

Bad for AA, but good for Delta who had a psych test.........that you (come on now.........BE HONEST !) apparently failed miserably. My guess is the Rorschach (ink blot) test was your downfall there, when they pulled you aside to take it.

When every ink blot is an evil Eagle pilot, it sends a pretty clear message and I'm sure they picked up on it. I'll bet many of your current captains are tired of sitting there, flying along in cruise, listening to you whine that your salisbury steak looks like this one Eagle pilot you knew and the mashed potatoes remind you of another "Eaglejerk" you talked too.

I don't know why you're worried about upgrade or retirement as my money says you'll blow your brains out long before either occur. :rolleyes: