AMR walks out on Pilot negotiations
04-07-2009, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Phlying Phallus
Proof that the "flow-through" was a failure. We get stuck with guys like Eaglefly that couldn't pass an interview at any major because of obvious "social deficiencies."
04-07-2009, 06:53 AM
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What about this former American Eagle pilot from several years ago?
Pilot Arrested For Bizarre Behavior In Front Of His Home
A local pilot for American Airlines was in trouble with the law Monday after neighbors in his upscale neighborhood complained about his bizarre behavior. 47 year-old XXX XXXXXXX has been a highly-regarded pilot for American Airlines. Neighbors like Dorene Phillips said XXXXXXX is a family man and a hard-working professional, and said they were stunned to learn of XXXXXXX arrest. Wilson County Sheriff's Deputies arrested XXXXXXX Friday and charged him with performing lewd and obscene acts while naked, in broad daylight, and in front of his home. In the police report, a neighbor reported XXXXXXX fondled himself on his front lawn 25 times over the past year. The neighbor videotaped XXXXXXX during the act as proof of the allegations. Investigators said the neighbor made the tape fearing no one would believe her without it. After viewing the video, the sheriff alerted American Airlines. XXXXXXX was then grounded and sent back from a flight to face charges. Phillips said she never saw XXXXXXX expose himself in public, but felt the allegations were a concern, especially with children in the quiet neighborhood. Phillips said she's did talk with XXXXXXX after his arrest. She says XXXXXXX told her he's couldn't believe he was arrested, and insisted he had no memory of what happened. Phillips said, “In my mind, he may have been sleep walking and didn't realize these things were going on.” Investigators wouldn't comment on specifics of the investigation Monday, but said XXXXXXX does appear to be very much awake in the video tape taken by the his neighbor. Officials with American Airlines could not be reached for comment Monday, but Phillips said XXXXXXX told her he will be undergoing a psychological evaluation and was not flying, for now. XXXXXXX was free on $10,000 bond Monday.
Pilot Arrested For Bizarre Behavior In Front Of His Home
A local pilot for American Airlines was in trouble with the law Monday after neighbors in his upscale neighborhood complained about his bizarre behavior. 47 year-old XXX XXXXXXX has been a highly-regarded pilot for American Airlines. Neighbors like Dorene Phillips said XXXXXXX is a family man and a hard-working professional, and said they were stunned to learn of XXXXXXX arrest. Wilson County Sheriff's Deputies arrested XXXXXXX Friday and charged him with performing lewd and obscene acts while naked, in broad daylight, and in front of his home. In the police report, a neighbor reported XXXXXXX fondled himself on his front lawn 25 times over the past year. The neighbor videotaped XXXXXXX during the act as proof of the allegations. Investigators said the neighbor made the tape fearing no one would believe her without it. After viewing the video, the sheriff alerted American Airlines. XXXXXXX was then grounded and sent back from a flight to face charges. Phillips said she never saw XXXXXXX expose himself in public, but felt the allegations were a concern, especially with children in the quiet neighborhood. Phillips said she's did talk with XXXXXXX after his arrest. She says XXXXXXX told her he's couldn't believe he was arrested, and insisted he had no memory of what happened. Phillips said, “In my mind, he may have been sleep walking and didn't realize these things were going on.” Investigators wouldn't comment on specifics of the investigation Monday, but said XXXXXXX does appear to be very much awake in the video tape taken by the his neighbor. Officials with American Airlines could not be reached for comment Monday, but Phillips said XXXXXXX told her he will be undergoing a psychological evaluation and was not flying, for now. XXXXXXX was free on $10,000 bond Monday.
04-07-2009, 07:00 AM
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...When asked how neighbor Dorene Phillips knew her that a pilot was causing the disturbance, she replied...
"Well, he was naked except for a big wristwatch, he had a small penis, and my morning paper was gone off my doorstep..."
"Well, he was naked except for a big wristwatch, he had a small penis, and my morning paper was gone off my doorstep..."
04-07-2009, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MAXforwardspeed
To be fair phlying phallus not all are like eaglefly. Yes if you have a flow though flow back you get everyone. My guess is you have a few on your end as well. The focus should be on the future a staple would be nice but have AA pilots doing all interviews.
04-07-2009, 07:06 AM
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That puts the "hey, do you mind if I grab a short nap" question in a whole new light.
04-07-2009, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoss
What about this former American Eagle pilot from several years ago?
Pilot Arrested For Bizarre Behavior In Front Of His Home
A local pilot for American Airlines was in trouble with the law Monday after neighbors in his upscale neighborhood complained about his bizarre behavior. 47 year-old XXX XXXXXXX has been a highly-regarded pilot for American Airlines. Neighbors like Dorene Phillips said XXXXXXX is a family man and a hard-working professional, and said they were stunned to learn of XXXXXXX arrest. Wilson County Sheriff's Deputies arrested XXXXXXX Friday and charged him with performing lewd and obscene acts while naked, in broad daylight, and in front of his home. In the police report, a neighbor reported XXXXXXX fondled himself on his front lawn 25 times over the past year. The neighbor videotaped XXXXXXX during the act as proof of the allegations. Investigators said the neighbor made the tape fearing no one would believe her without it. After viewing the video, the sheriff alerted American Airlines. XXXXXXX was then grounded and sent back from a flight to face charges. Phillips said she never saw XXXXXXX expose himself in public, but felt the allegations were a concern, especially with children in the quiet neighborhood. Phillips said she's did talk with XXXXXXX after his arrest. She says XXXXXXX told her he's couldn't believe he was arrested, and insisted he had no memory of what happened. Phillips said, “In my mind, he may have been sleep walking and didn't realize these things were going on.” Investigators wouldn't comment on specifics of the investigation Monday, but said XXXXXXX does appear to be very much awake in the video tape taken by the his neighbor. Officials with American Airlines could not be reached for comment Monday, but Phillips said XXXXXXX told her he will be undergoing a psychological evaluation and was not flying, for now. XXXXXXX was free on $10,000 bond Monday.
Pilot Arrested For Bizarre Behavior In Front Of His Home
A local pilot for American Airlines was in trouble with the law Monday after neighbors in his upscale neighborhood complained about his bizarre behavior. 47 year-old XXX XXXXXXX has been a highly-regarded pilot for American Airlines. Neighbors like Dorene Phillips said XXXXXXX is a family man and a hard-working professional, and said they were stunned to learn of XXXXXXX arrest. Wilson County Sheriff's Deputies arrested XXXXXXX Friday and charged him with performing lewd and obscene acts while naked, in broad daylight, and in front of his home. In the police report, a neighbor reported XXXXXXX fondled himself on his front lawn 25 times over the past year. The neighbor videotaped XXXXXXX during the act as proof of the allegations. Investigators said the neighbor made the tape fearing no one would believe her without it. After viewing the video, the sheriff alerted American Airlines. XXXXXXX was then grounded and sent back from a flight to face charges. Phillips said she never saw XXXXXXX expose himself in public, but felt the allegations were a concern, especially with children in the quiet neighborhood. Phillips said she's did talk with XXXXXXX after his arrest. She says XXXXXXX told her he's couldn't believe he was arrested, and insisted he had no memory of what happened. Phillips said, “In my mind, he may have been sleep walking and didn't realize these things were going on.” Investigators wouldn't comment on specifics of the investigation Monday, but said XXXXXXX does appear to be very much awake in the video tape taken by the his neighbor. Officials with American Airlines could not be reached for comment Monday, but Phillips said XXXXXXX told her he will be undergoing a psychological evaluation and was not flying, for now. XXXXXXX was free on $10,000 bond Monday.
While we're at it, lets not forget the AA pilot who was arrested for showing up for work in Manchester, England in February of 2006 and being drunk. Of course, he was acquitted because he convinced a jury he drank a bunch of whiskey in his sleep, which I can understand, as we all sleep with a large bottle of whiskey on the nightstand.
Or how about the brilliant move by the professionally minded AA pilot who gave the finger while being photographed by Brazillian authorities and was also arrested. Sound judgement there.
Oh, and let's not forget the mentally stable wizard of an AA pilot who was kicked off a flight in Omaha, because he had the wisdom and maturity to tell a security screener that he had access to a cockpit ax and could "chop your head off". Absolutely brilliant.
Back in the late 80's a UAL DC-10 F/E was busted in his garage while in the process of dismembering his wife whom he'd just killed. He had completed sawing off her legs and was hoping to finish the job, but ran out of time.
All these stories prove is that no large group of employees is immune to errant behavior.
Last edited by eaglefly; 04-07-2009 at 10:05 AM.
04-07-2009, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Phlying Phallus
Yeah he's a real hero. Just ask him where he thinks those Eagle pilots we "take" should go on our seniority list. DOH. That's the same demand they have made every other time we have approached them with attempts to merge the seniority lists. RJ captain to 767 international captain. Get real.
I guess we should expect nothing less from a group that tried to steal away our 80 flying under the failed 80-80-80 campaign.
I guess we should expect nothing less from a group that tried to steal away our 80 flying under the failed 80-80-80 campaign.
Why would the Eagle Captain want to take a pay cut to fly Captain on a 767?
04-07-2009, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalGuy
EGL flyer....
Keeping this brief and short winded.....I can appreciate you ideas, thoughts, and opinion on how the wicked "triangle" should work....but again, it's just that, an unrealistic pipe dream.
When your willing to sell out the bottom 50% of your own seniority list, I can see that the APA guys/gals would have warm-fuzzies in having someone like you running amuck in their own ranks. I find it VERY hard for your theory to hold water in the fact that the majority of the bottom 50% (1000+ pilots) subscribe to your plan....even if there are a half a dozen proponets posted on APC.
If you want to know anything about "selling out" people in the past, just ask your senior buddies at EGL about the Man, Myth, and Legend - Homer Pugh's "16 years mistake". Having witnessed this first hand, learn from the past mistakes and don't be the next "Homer" in selling out your colleagues.
I still don't understand your logic as to why AMR would every agree to such a marriage in a common seniority list....why would they do that when the have a "Whip Saw" already in place??? After all it's all the Vouge in todays managment tactics. In management's eyes...."work good, work long time".
I will leave you with this, just remember "history often repeats itself". In the past, APA and EGL ALPA went through many meetings/talks/interpreted previously written agreements involving something called a "Flow Through v Flow Back"....how did that work for you?? 126ish flowed over to AA's mainline, and something along the lines of 700ish AA furloughs flowed back to occupy RJ CA seats. History has shown that there will always be some form of separation in the two pilot groups, AMR mgt has already proven that.
To keep in the concentration of the thread, Best luck to the APA Guys/Gals and your current negotiations....give management heck and get what the industry deserves on all levels.
Keeping this brief and short winded.....I can appreciate you ideas, thoughts, and opinion on how the wicked "triangle" should work....but again, it's just that, an unrealistic pipe dream.
When your willing to sell out the bottom 50% of your own seniority list, I can see that the APA guys/gals would have warm-fuzzies in having someone like you running amuck in their own ranks. I find it VERY hard for your theory to hold water in the fact that the majority of the bottom 50% (1000+ pilots) subscribe to your plan....even if there are a half a dozen proponets posted on APC.
If you want to know anything about "selling out" people in the past, just ask your senior buddies at EGL about the Man, Myth, and Legend - Homer Pugh's "16 years mistake". Having witnessed this first hand, learn from the past mistakes and don't be the next "Homer" in selling out your colleagues.
I still don't understand your logic as to why AMR would every agree to such a marriage in a common seniority list....why would they do that when the have a "Whip Saw" already in place??? After all it's all the Vouge in todays managment tactics. In management's eyes...."work good, work long time".
I will leave you with this, just remember "history often repeats itself". In the past, APA and EGL ALPA went through many meetings/talks/interpreted previously written agreements involving something called a "Flow Through v Flow Back"....how did that work for you?? 126ish flowed over to AA's mainline, and something along the lines of 700ish AA furloughs flowed back to occupy RJ CA seats. History has shown that there will always be some form of separation in the two pilot groups, AMR mgt has already proven that.
To keep in the concentration of the thread, Best luck to the APA Guys/Gals and your current negotiations....give management heck and get what the industry deserves on all levels.
04-08-2009, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Back in the late 80's a UAL DC-10 F/E was busted in his garage while in the process of dismembering his wife whom he'd just killed. He had completed sawing off her legs and was hoping to finish the job, but ran out of time.
All these stories prove is that no large group of employees is immune to errant behavior.
04-08-2009, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Phlying Phallus
Poor Eaglefly.
"Career" tops out at Eagle, flying pig farmers back and forth to Iowa while teaching 250 hr. Riddle pilots how to jerk gear and pop zits on layovers.
Impressive.
All that's left for him in life is lashing out at mainline guys on APC.
Sad, but normal for AE.
"Career" tops out at Eagle, flying pig farmers back and forth to Iowa while teaching 250 hr. Riddle pilots how to jerk gear and pop zits on layovers.
Impressive.
All that's left for him in life is lashing out at mainline guys on APC.
Sad, but normal for AE.
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