Lighteningspeed

That depends on how many, if any, DAL plans to hire in the future. There are only two regionals under the DAL system with a flowthru agreement as you know, XJ and CZ. 9 per month for XJ making it up to 108 per year, and 20 per month for CZ but no more than 25% of the total number of pilots at CZ which I believe is 25% of approx 330, making it 82.

MD80

The Midwest pilots wanted to talk to DALPA. Answer: Get lost.

The Midwest pilots warned DALPA about a 100 seat plan. Answer: Get lost.

You made your bed... you need to sleep in it. DALPA has been playing with scope language too long. See you at a regional. Good Luck.

acl65pilot

What I find funny Bar is that no one seems to want to respond to what a DCI wide Bi-lateral does.

No one wants to argue that one. Why? Because besides giving up more flying to DCI it is the biggest costs savings too that management can use. It will be packaged as a gain for our group, but in effect, is a concession. (Think Wolf in Sheep's clothing)

MD80

I understand the military guys want to bypass the regionals, but that time maybe coming to a end.

forgot to bid

Can we, the sheep, have a slight review of the bi-lateral flow idea? I get the downside, but where does it stand and who is pushing it?

forgot to bid

Someone said this to me and I kind of have to agree, in the next hiring boom there will probably be an increase in the % of military guys hired because they'll probably be 20 year retired military pilots in their early 40s who'd only be accruing seniority at the majors (Delta in this case) for 20-25 years at the most vs the late 20s and early 30 year old crowd they hired that'll be here for 30-35 years.

Rhino Driver

No, they'll be hired because of their qualifications and experience. Has nothing to do with their "projected longevity" with DAL, or any other major for that matter. Where the hell do you come up with this $h**?

The past few years were tough for this industry (and others of course)...hence why a majority of guys decided to stay in and protect themselves and their families. You will see a shift in the near future. I know plenty of guys on the fence waiting for things to turn around before they jump.

When they jump, the percentage of those prior military hired will jump accordingly. Always has, always will.

Bucking Bar

Rhino - Sir, read your contract. There simply are not going to be as many unspoken for Delta slots for the most qualified to compete for.
Our (yours and mine - no matter which part of Delta you work in) Our MEC Chairmen are pushing it as a lower cost scope substitute. They are talking it up and held a meeting last month to talk it up some more as THE strategic direction our union is taking scope in.

In exchange for giving me a job flying an RJ (which I walked away from top 30% and longevity to come to Delta) our Regionals are offered a someday promise (which might not ever come true in this business) of employment if they give up their longevity to walk across a mostly imaginary line.

This is supposed to replace mainline scope, narrow body fleet replacement / growth and job security and we are supposed to like it. Better yet, it is hoped we never have to use it, because by the look of things it will not work if needed anyway.

This strategic scope plan is a horribly flawed idea. It is so flawed that I do not expect it to really go anywhere, but, it provides political eyewash that many will accept if they don't bother to think about how this would work when called on to function during duress.

It is basically the same system US Air has been trying to implement. If you are curious about how it works, just look over there and follow the plight of US Air pilots at MidAtlantic.

Arguably it has prevented furloughs at Delta because it is unworkable. So there is a "silver lining" to that. Bottom line, flow through agreements are no substitute for having the airplanes flown at mainline by mainline pilots.

Rhino Driver

To the best of my knowledge Bar, we currently have flow agreements with CPZ and a handful of Messaba guys. I'm not aware of anything other than that. Please enlighten me. Where in the contract should I be looking?

Rhino Driver

That's a serious question.