Boeing Delays 787 First Flight.... AGAIN
06-23-2009, 05:45 AM
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Boeing Delays 787 First Flight.... AGAIN
Saw this on CNBC in the HPN hotel this morning. I looked on the Boeing website and found this:
EVERETT, Wash., June 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) today announced that first flight of the 787 Dreamliner will be postponed due to a need to reinforce an area within the side-of-body section of the aircraft.
The need was identified during the recent regularly scheduled tests on the full-scale static test airplane. Preliminary analysis indicated that flight test could proceed this month as planned. However, after further testing and consideration of possible modified flight test plans, the decision was made late last week that first flight should instead be postponed until productive flight testing could occur.
First flight and first delivery will be rescheduled following the final determination of the required modification and testing plan. It will be several weeks before the new schedule is available. The 787 team will continue with other aspects of testing on Airplane #1, including final gauntlet testing and low-speed taxiing. Work will also continue on the other five flight test aircraft and the subsequent aircraft in the production system.
Scott Carson, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes said a team of experts has already identified several potential solutions.
"Consideration was given to a temporary solution that would allow us to fly as scheduled, but we ultimately concluded that the right thing was to develop, design, test and incorporate a permanent modification to the localized area requiring reinforcement. Structural modifications like these are not uncommon in the development of new airplanes, and this is not an issue related to our choice of materials or the assembly and installation work of our team," Carson said.
Boeing's financial guidance will be updated to reflect any impact of these changes when the company issues its second quarter 2009 earnings report in July.
Boeing will hold a conference call with Carson, Pat Shanahan, vice president and general manager of Airplane Programs, and Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program, to discuss the 787 program today at 10:00 a.m. EDT, 7:00 a.m., PDT. A webcast of that call will be accessible at The Boeing Company.
Boeing Postpones 787 First Flight - Jun 23, 2009
EVERETT, Wash., June 23 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) today announced that first flight of the 787 Dreamliner will be postponed due to a need to reinforce an area within the side-of-body section of the aircraft.
The need was identified during the recent regularly scheduled tests on the full-scale static test airplane. Preliminary analysis indicated that flight test could proceed this month as planned. However, after further testing and consideration of possible modified flight test plans, the decision was made late last week that first flight should instead be postponed until productive flight testing could occur.
First flight and first delivery will be rescheduled following the final determination of the required modification and testing plan. It will be several weeks before the new schedule is available. The 787 team will continue with other aspects of testing on Airplane #1, including final gauntlet testing and low-speed taxiing. Work will also continue on the other five flight test aircraft and the subsequent aircraft in the production system.
Scott Carson, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes said a team of experts has already identified several potential solutions.
"Consideration was given to a temporary solution that would allow us to fly as scheduled, but we ultimately concluded that the right thing was to develop, design, test and incorporate a permanent modification to the localized area requiring reinforcement. Structural modifications like these are not uncommon in the development of new airplanes, and this is not an issue related to our choice of materials or the assembly and installation work of our team," Carson said.
Boeing's financial guidance will be updated to reflect any impact of these changes when the company issues its second quarter 2009 earnings report in July.
Boeing will hold a conference call with Carson, Pat Shanahan, vice president and general manager of Airplane Programs, and Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of the 787 program, to discuss the 787 program today at 10:00 a.m. EDT, 7:00 a.m., PDT. A webcast of that call will be accessible at The Boeing Company.
Boeing Postpones 787 First Flight - Jun 23, 2009
06-23-2009, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Homa
This has got to be one of the biggest manufacturing blunders in Boeing's history.
Yay for outsourcing.
Yay for outsourcing.
It's not outsourcing. It's composites. And, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better!
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06-23-2009, 01:26 PM
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Does anyone remember BOEING snickered at Airbus when the 380 was delayed.....they just thought was the best news...Boeing said the aircraft would never see a day of service. said that no one would buy it, said it would be assembled shoddy.....WOULDNT FLY!!
Well BOEING best be eating a lot of crow.....LOTS!!!!
I predict this aircraft will not see service, I'll bet more orders will be canceled in the coming days.
Yes this is the BIGGEST BLUNDER BOEING has ever had......perhaps it is KARMA just smacking those overpaid executives in the face.....perhaps they should ask Alan M. for some of the big bonuses he was paid for signing off on the production.
Faith in the Lazy B is going down the toilet...YES this is punishment for outsourcing as well.
Well BOEING best be eating a lot of crow.....LOTS!!!!
I predict this aircraft will not see service, I'll bet more orders will be canceled in the coming days.
Yes this is the BIGGEST BLUNDER BOEING has ever had......perhaps it is KARMA just smacking those overpaid executives in the face.....perhaps they should ask Alan M. for some of the big bonuses he was paid for signing off on the production.
Faith in the Lazy B is going down the toilet...YES this is punishment for outsourcing as well.
06-23-2009, 02:32 PM
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These are highly complex machines. Delays will happen to Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier, Embraer. The more complex the aircraft, the more delays will be seen.
The 787 will fly, it will see service and it will be a terrific airplane. Boeing is eating it for doing so much outsourcing, but at the end of the day, the 787 will be flying millions of passengers around the globe for years to come and the 787 will make Boeing a lot of money in the long run.
The A380 is a nice plane (I have been a passenger on one), but the economics do not make sense. The A380 is a technical success and a great achievement, but it will be hard pressed to ever make Airbus any money. The development costs were staggering and the airplane doesn't have enough market available to it in order to hit sales of greater than 500 and certainly not 1,000 units. The world is changing and point to point if going to win out over the hub.
I also expect that the A350XWB will be a terrific airplane and a great commercial success. Look at the early orders. The A350XWB will be delayed multiple times as well but at the end of the day it too will be moving millions of passengers around the globe for years and making Airbus a lot of money.
The 787 will fly, it will see service and it will be a terrific airplane. Boeing is eating it for doing so much outsourcing, but at the end of the day, the 787 will be flying millions of passengers around the globe for years to come and the 787 will make Boeing a lot of money in the long run.
The A380 is a nice plane (I have been a passenger on one), but the economics do not make sense. The A380 is a technical success and a great achievement, but it will be hard pressed to ever make Airbus any money. The development costs were staggering and the airplane doesn't have enough market available to it in order to hit sales of greater than 500 and certainly not 1,000 units. The world is changing and point to point if going to win out over the hub.
I also expect that the A350XWB will be a terrific airplane and a great commercial success. Look at the early orders. The A350XWB will be delayed multiple times as well but at the end of the day it too will be moving millions of passengers around the globe for years and making Airbus a lot of money.
06-23-2009, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FastDEW
These are highly complex machines. Delays will happen to Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier, Embraer. The more complex the aircraft, the more delays will be seen.
The 787 will fly, it will see service and it will be a terrific airplane. Boeing is eating it for doing so much outsourcing, but at the end of the day, the 787 will be flying millions of passengers around the globe for years to come and the 787 will make Boeing a lot of money in the long run.
The A380 is a nice plane (I have been a passenger on one), but the economics do not make sense. The A380 is a technical success and a great achievement, but it will be hard pressed to ever make Airbus any money. The development costs were staggering and the airplane doesn't have enough market available to it in order to hit sales of greater than 500 and certainly not 1,000 units. The world is changing and point to point if going to win out over the hub.
I also expect that the A350XWB will be a terrific airplane and a great commercial success. Look at the early orders. The A350XWB will be delayed multiple times as well but at the end of the day it too will be moving millions of passengers around the globe for years and making Airbus a lot of money.
The 787 will fly, it will see service and it will be a terrific airplane. Boeing is eating it for doing so much outsourcing, but at the end of the day, the 787 will be flying millions of passengers around the globe for years to come and the 787 will make Boeing a lot of money in the long run.
The A380 is a nice plane (I have been a passenger on one), but the economics do not make sense. The A380 is a technical success and a great achievement, but it will be hard pressed to ever make Airbus any money. The development costs were staggering and the airplane doesn't have enough market available to it in order to hit sales of greater than 500 and certainly not 1,000 units. The world is changing and point to point if going to win out over the hub.
I also expect that the A350XWB will be a terrific airplane and a great commercial success. Look at the early orders. The A350XWB will be delayed multiple times as well but at the end of the day it too will be moving millions of passengers around the globe for years and making Airbus a lot of money.
The big isssue at Boeing is not outsourcing!
And, based on the forecasts of current operators, the A380 will be profitable even if no new operators select it.
A big problem for Boeing right now is a lack of progress payments.
Al
06-23-2009, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by alvrb211
The big isssue at Boeing is not outsourcing!
And, based on the forecasts of current operators, the A380 will be profitable even if no new operators select it.
A big problem for Boeing right now is a lack of progress payments.
Al
And, based on the forecasts of current operators, the A380 will be profitable even if no new operators select it.
A big problem for Boeing right now is a lack of progress payments.
Al
On the A380 - How do you expect the 380 to be a money maker if no other operators select it? Please explain. Even Airbus is starting to say that the break even is north of 500 frames. The order book isn't even half that amount.
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