America West pilots win permanent injunction
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during chapter 33 or a merger. Imposed terms and conditions will implement the list (if there's a company to implement it).
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Who is suggesting that anyone “defy a federal court order?” I am suggesting that the company needs to come to the table with a decent proposal, which is highly unlikely. When I read these blogs, I wonder if you have had a look at what the company has done so far. The judge can “find individuals in contempt. He can impose fines and jail time.” – For pilots not agreeing to a contract? Have you SEEN what the company has offered? So pilots will go to jail for not agreeing to wages that are significantly less than industry standards? Perhaps, the judge will throw USAirways management in jail for not negotiating in good faith. Sweet! The headlines will read, “Pilots and Management Kiss and Make Up Behind Bars!” Or maybe, “Management and Union Make Unlikely Bedfellows in State Pen.”
I do agree that UAL is the big question. Chapter 11 or an 1113 hearing assumes that there will be something left to save. Financing will be much, much more difficult to find this time around. LCC‘s credit rating is a problem and then there is the question how much collateral is actually eligible for Section 1110 bankruptcy.
Eaglefly, if Mr. Parker went to court to “argue that is was the intransigence (I can only assume this is the word you were going for) of the east pilots and USAPA that put them” into bankruptcy- he would have some real “'splainin' to do!”
And finally, the judge’s “power is nearly limitless” according to the rule of law. The power to survive is in the hands of management and both pilot groups.
I do agree that UAL is the big question. Chapter 11 or an 1113 hearing assumes that there will be something left to save. Financing will be much, much more difficult to find this time around. LCC‘s credit rating is a problem and then there is the question how much collateral is actually eligible for Section 1110 bankruptcy.
Eaglefly, if Mr. Parker went to court to “argue that is was the intransigence (I can only assume this is the word you were going for) of the east pilots and USAPA that put them” into bankruptcy- he would have some real “'splainin' to do!”
And finally, the judge’s “power is nearly limitless” according to the rule of law. The power to survive is in the hands of management and both pilot groups.
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USAirways management doesn't need to come to the table with a decent proposal. Assuming a bankruptcy filing is imminent, or has occurred, they simply need to propose a contract that they can afford. It may not even be an improvement over what's in place now.
The next step would be the 1113 hearing to void the current contract, and impose new terms and conditions of employment. USAPA can negotiate under the threat of an imposed contract, and try to get some minor improvements, but their leverage at that point is almost nil.
Since their inception, they've gradually squandered the little bit of leverage they had.
The next step would be the 1113 hearing to void the current contract, and impose new terms and conditions of employment. USAPA can negotiate under the threat of an imposed contract, and try to get some minor improvements, but their leverage at that point is almost nil.
Since their inception, they've gradually squandered the little bit of leverage they had.
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Who is suggesting that anyone “defy a federal court order?” I am suggesting that the company needs to come to the table with a decent proposal, which is highly unlikely. When I read these blogs, I wonder if you have had a look at what the company has done so far. The judge can “find individuals in contempt. He can impose fines and jail time.” – For pilots not agreeing to a contract? Have you SEEN what the company has offered? So pilots will go to jail for not agreeing to wages that are significantly less than industry standards? Perhaps, the judge will throw USAirways management in jail for not negotiating in good faith. Sweet! The headlines will read, “Pilots and Management Kiss and Make Up Behind Bars!” Or maybe, “Management and Union Make Unlikely Bedfellows in State Pen.”
I do agree that UAL is the big question. Chapter 11 or an 1113 hearing assumes that there will be something left to save. Financing will be much, much more difficult to find this time around. LCC‘s credit rating is a problem and then there is the question how much collateral is actually eligible for Section 1110 bankruptcy.
Eaglefly, if Mr. Parker went to court to “argue that is was the intransigence (I can only assume this is the word you were going for) of the east pilots and USAPA that put them” into bankruptcy- he would have some real “'splainin' to do!”
And finally, the judge’s “power is nearly limitless” according to the rule of law. The power to survive is in the hands of management and both pilot groups.
I do agree that UAL is the big question. Chapter 11 or an 1113 hearing assumes that there will be something left to save. Financing will be much, much more difficult to find this time around. LCC‘s credit rating is a problem and then there is the question how much collateral is actually eligible for Section 1110 bankruptcy.
Eaglefly, if Mr. Parker went to court to “argue that is was the intransigence (I can only assume this is the word you were going for) of the east pilots and USAPA that put them” into bankruptcy- he would have some real “'splainin' to do!”
And finally, the judge’s “power is nearly limitless” according to the rule of law. The power to survive is in the hands of management and both pilot groups.
As such, I see no reason why the easties and USAPA shouldn't get the shaft from yet another judge.
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You just can't escape the long arm of the law. The Nicolau award is the integrated seniority list, it will be implemented, particularly if you enter bankruptcy or are acquired or fragmented.
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What's with all this talk of bankruptcy? US Airways has been consistently overselling flights. There are numerous paying passengers that don't get on, much less any non-revs. Thank god for the jumpseat!
US Airways has a huge load factor; that, coupled with dog crap labor wages and oil prices less than half of what they were a year ago, the airline industry is looking toward a very profitable 2nd half of the year. Despite the economy, the seats are filled, at least at Airways.
US Airways has a huge load factor; that, coupled with dog crap labor wages and oil prices less than half of what they were a year ago, the airline industry is looking toward a very profitable 2nd half of the year. Despite the economy, the seats are filled, at least at Airways.
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