Continental Airlines Orders
06-27-2006, 04:07 AM
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CAL is looking to the future..especially with high fuel prices. The airline with the best fuel efficient planes will survive...fuel prices are not going down anytime soon. Yes, we had to take concessions to make this work, but option is not to take concessions...and get laid off later.
CAL is a different airline than the early 90's before Gordon. Well managed, cost cutting logically and eyeing the future of international travel (the bread and butter).
CAL is a different airline than the early 90's before Gordon. Well managed, cost cutting logically and eyeing the future of international travel (the bread and butter).
06-27-2006, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jmc1007
Yes, we had to take concessions to make this work, but option is not to take concessions...and get laid off later.
The latest contract that you voted yes for has set us back umpteen years and it will take several more contracts to recover from it.
What you and Duffrick don't get is that we don't vote in contracts to prevent furloughs. The company will furlough regardless of how you and I will vote. Both NWA's and our last contracts were overkill and will cause more harm than good to the average line Pilot while our managements stuff their pockets with the dollars you left on the table.
Shame on you!!
06-27-2006, 07:03 AM
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Not true JMC. We did NOT have to approve a 5 YEAR concessionary contract. Not sure if you read the paper but we are profitable RIGHT NOW and still have 3 MORE YEARS before we can renegotiate.
The latest contract that you voted yes for has set us back umpteen years and it will take several more contracts to recover from it.
What you and Duffrick don't get is that we don't vote in contracts to prevent furloughs. The company will furlough regardless of how you and I will vote. Both NWA's and our last contracts were overkill and will cause more harm than good to the average line Pilot while our managements stuff their pockets with the dollars you left on the table.
Shame on you!!
Actually, from what I read from the DNU messages, management also took a pay concession. Sure, not as much. But that's what attracts good talent to any business..you get what you pay for.
Truth is, in order to compete in a deregulated environment, up against the likes of SWA, JetBlue and Airtran (who do not have the high pension plans to fund or higher salaries of the long time employees or expensive hubs) CAL has to be able to compete with a better financial balance sheet in the future, i.e. Fund the Future. Hopefully, we can All Work Together to make it a successful airline..
The latest contract that you voted yes for has set us back umpteen years and it will take several more contracts to recover from it.
What you and Duffrick don't get is that we don't vote in contracts to prevent furloughs. The company will furlough regardless of how you and I will vote. Both NWA's and our last contracts were overkill and will cause more harm than good to the average line Pilot while our managements stuff their pockets with the dollars you left on the table.
Shame on you!!
Actually, from what I read from the DNU messages, management also took a pay concession. Sure, not as much. But that's what attracts good talent to any business..you get what you pay for.
Truth is, in order to compete in a deregulated environment, up against the likes of SWA, JetBlue and Airtran (who do not have the high pension plans to fund or higher salaries of the long time employees or expensive hubs) CAL has to be able to compete with a better financial balance sheet in the future, i.e. Fund the Future. Hopefully, we can All Work Together to make it a successful airline..
Last edited by jmc1007; 06-27-2006 at 09:04 AM.
06-27-2006, 09:52 AM
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Sorry JMC, I thought you were a Pilot. Our management continues to stuff their pockets regardless of a slight cut in their base pay. Check out their options, bonuses ect... They won't miss out on one dime.
Also the DNU is about as non-biased as the Daily Pravda used to be.
Also the DNU is about as non-biased as the Daily Pravda used to be.
06-28-2006, 05:09 AM
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"Also the DNU is about as non-biased as the Daily Pravda used to be".
Now that's funny...I don't care what anybody says. Have to agree a bit also, but I think overall, CAL management outranks other airline managment in trying to do what's best for the employees....I hope.
Now that's funny...I don't care what anybody says. Have to agree a bit also, but I think overall, CAL management outranks other airline managment in trying to do what's best for the employees....I hope.
06-28-2006, 06:31 AM
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Guardedly Optomistic, for the third time.
Originally Posted by jmc1007
Now that's funny...I don't care what anybody says. Have to agree a bit also, but I think overall, CAL management outranks other airline managment in trying to do what's best for the employees....I hope.
06-28-2006, 07:04 AM
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Well, being a dispatcher, puts you in the middle of working with pilots and working with management. Actually, we see management on a daily basis or at least hear what's going on (most managers are a floor or two above SOCC).
Having been voted one of the Best Companies to Work For so many times, something is being done correctly. With cash in the bank now, one of the youngest fleets around (and just purchased some new aircraft...ten 787's), expanding internationally and a smart cost cutting structure.....I see a survivor.
Having been voted one of the Best Companies to Work For so many times, something is being done correctly. With cash in the bank now, one of the youngest fleets around (and just purchased some new aircraft...ten 787's), expanding internationally and a smart cost cutting structure.....I see a survivor.
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