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Old 07-28-2009 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
No need to get defensive. Its just a discussion. I was just pointing out that the two acquisitions are very different. While YX may not be in bankruptcy, they were certainly on their way out. Frontier has done extremely well while in bankruptcy, and never would have gotten there if the credit wasn't pulled out from underneath them. The biggest difference is F9 bringing airframes into the equation while YX is not.
Actually, YX did bring in airframes. Those 717's didn't magically appear. They may not be as many as F9 is bringing, but YX most certainly DID bring airframes which BB has decided to replace with E170/E190's.
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Old 07-28-2009 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Actually, YX did bring in airframes. Those 717's didn't magically appear. They may not be as many as F9 is bringing, but YX most certainly DID bring airframes which BB has decided to replace with E170/E190's.
That's not true. YX shot themselves in the foot with Boeing who decided to take those aircraft back. In a panic YX needed frames to fill those routes so the 170s stepped in. YX never brought in any additional frames.
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Old 07-28-2009 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
No need to get defensive. Its just a discussion. I was just pointing out that the two acquisitions are very different. While YX may not be in bankruptcy, they were certainly on their way out. Frontier has done extremely well while in bankruptcy, and never would have gotten there if the credit wasn't pulled out from underneath them. The biggest difference is F9 bringing airframes into the equation while YX is not.
I predict the buses will be swapped for LCCs E190s and the Frontier pilots will have to fly for RAH rates and rules or take a hike. Sound familiar?
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Old 07-28-2009 | 04:49 PM
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I predict the buses will be swapped for LCCs E190s and the Frontier pilots will have to fly for RAH rates and rules or take a hike. Sound familiar?
You think a bus would be swapped for a 190?
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Old 07-28-2009 | 05:23 PM
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******ATTENTION!!! THE FOLLOWING IS PURE SPECULATION!!!! *******

Here is how this will play out:

YX, while integration talks happen, they will lose the last of the 717s. Thus furlough for all their guys. This sucks. This will most likely involve a screw job on the YX pilots when it comes to integration. I hope I am wrong. But don't furloughed people on an integration get usually screwed?

F9 will be different. They will get a relatively better deal in integration than their XY counterparts. Their airline, in my opinion, has/had a better future than XY. XY was in serious danger of being an airline with no planes. We will never really know if the airline would have existed if RAH did not come in and buy them out, since the purchase will occur before the last 717 comes offline.

Lynx, will probably be as close to a staple as you can get if it is not really a staple. This airline did not start flying till, correct me if I am wrong, Dec. 2007. That is really close to the bottom of the RAH seniority list. This may benefit the guys coming from XY if they get integrated before the Lynx group, not that T-Prop flying is something a XY pilot would run to do.

This would all happen(MAYBE, as this speculation on my part), if RAH is the highest bidder for F9 and the Midwest deal does not fall through.
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Old 07-28-2009 | 05:24 PM
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Yep a 318 and a 190 aren't that far apart. They could both cover the same routes.
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Old 07-28-2009 | 06:18 PM
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Earliest date of hire at Lynx is either June or July of 07 I believe (cert was issued in Dec 07). With the junior person being in a class going through right now. With those new pilots there will be 140-150ish on property.
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Old 07-28-2009 | 06:36 PM
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Earliest Lynx Hire class is April or March 2007
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Old 07-28-2009 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
No need to get defensive. Its just a discussion. I was just pointing out that the two acquisitions are very different. While YX may not be in bankruptcy, they were certainly on their way out. Frontier has done extremely well while in bankruptcy, and never would have gotten there if the credit wasn't pulled out from underneath them. The biggest difference is F9 bringing airframes into the equation while YX is not.
You don't know that Midwest was on its way out. That is opinion. I thought US Airways was on its way out a few years ago also. Never happened. Midwest management decided to park 24 MD-80's and replace them with 170's flown by Republic. Don't even start that sh!t about The Midwest pilots are not bringing airframes. Anything flown with Midwest painted on the side bigger than 50 seats is brought by a Midwest pilot whether you want to believe it or not. That being said, I think the Midwest pilots will get screwed and the Republic pilots will justify it with your above opinion. Then you guys wonder why everyone hates you. The 190's are straight replacement aircraft for every aircraft in the Midwest fleet. They are flown by the Republic pilots because a judge ruled that anything painted "Connect" on the side is not Midwest. Republic is being chosen because Republic pilots make so little. It seems you guys are proud of that fact. Then you act surprised when the remaining Midwest pilots have nothing good to say about your pilot group.
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Old 07-28-2009 | 06:39 PM
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i could easily see a percentile integration similar to delta/northwest going down for F9. Lynx who knows DOH would execept for the top 40%-50% would in essence be a staple maybe? it would depend on what the hire dates are obviously. Either way since both groups are bringing airplanes into the equation as long as a fence is put up around those operations and the present RAH operation both groups should be content for the most part.

As far as merging the lists in one way or another that must be done. We all have seen how bedford has gone through unions and scope issues and does what he wants so it is a protection that all three groups need.
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