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Dougdrvr 07-28-2009 07:48 AM

Midex/RAH/Frontier
 
Now that the Frontier pilots have a virtual blueprint in front of them on what will be done to them, what will happen to the Lynx pilots? We all know BB's disdain for turboprops?

ScaryKite 07-28-2009 01:52 PM

depends on list intergration. If F9 and lynx are not integrated according to BBs plan. (highly unlikely due to our 98% strike vote the first time around) T-Props go bye bye and Lynx will be flying 170s for frontier for 63 percent of RW and S5 rates. Thus lowering the low bar even lower.

Hetman 07-28-2009 02:18 PM

Oh, Goody!

Let's go again!

G-Dog 07-28-2009 02:56 PM

Great, another RAH/Frontier thread. This one is sure to evolve into a RAH/Midwest hate fest.

P.S Not to bash the original post as it is a logical question, but we all know where this will eventually go.

hockeypilot44 07-28-2009 02:58 PM

I thought the Frontier pilots were going to stay separate? Did something change?

flyguy23 07-28-2009 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 652012)
Now that the Frontier pilots have a virtual blueprint in front of them on what will be done to them, what will happen to the Lynx pilots? We all know BB's disdain for turboprops?

The Frontier pilots do not have a virtual blueprint. The YX/RAH acquisition is completely different than the F9/RAH deal. Midwest is flying planes that have been losing money and will be going away. It presents a very big problem to those pilots in the seniority list merger as most if not all will be furloughed by the time a deal is worked out. The F9 pilots are flying for a PROFITABLE company on airframes RAH will want to keep in service. It gives them a whole lot more bargaining power, as it should. F9's current operations should be fenced off from RAH pilots and vice versa, but the lists need to merged. The danger of not having one list is too great to ignore. I understand F9 pilots may be too proud to be on a "regional" airline seniority list, but the whipsaw possibilities are endless if they are run with two lists, or more with lynx.

hockeypilot44 07-28-2009 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 652252)
The Frontier pilots do not have a virtual blueprint. The YX/RAH acquisition is completely different than the F9/RAH deal. Midwest is flying planes that have been losing money and will be going away. It presents a very big problem to those pilots in the seniority list merger as most if not all will be furloughed by the time a deal is worked out. The F9 pilots are flying for a PROFITABLE company on airframes RAH will want to keep in service. It gives them a whole lot more bargaining power, as it should. F9's current operations should be fenced off from RAH pilots and vice versa, but the lists need to merged. The danger of not having one list is too great to ignore. I understand F9 pilots may be too proud to be on a "regional" airline seniority list, but the whipsaw possibilities are endless if they are run with two lists, or more with lynx.

Isn't Midwest the company that NEVER filed for bankruptcy in its entire history? Isn't Frontier still operating under bankruptcy protection as we speak? Frontier has not made a profit outside of bankruptcy in quite a while.

ToiletDuck 07-28-2009 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 652253)
Isn't Midwest the company that NEVER filed for bankruptcy in its entire history? Isn't Frontier still operating under bankruptcy protection as we speak? Frontier has not made a profit outside of bankruptcy in quite a while.

Neither have a lot of other airlines. BK isn't the end all of a business. It's simply a way for a business to restructure. Which F9 has done. Midwest was kept afloat by other companies for a while. Frontier was not until once in BK.

flyguy23 07-28-2009 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 652253)
Isn't Midwest the company that NEVER filed for bankruptcy in its entire history? Isn't Frontier still operating under bankruptcy protection as we speak? Frontier has not made a profit outside of bankruptcy in quite a while.


No need to get defensive. Its just a discussion. I was just pointing out that the two acquisitions are very different. While YX may not be in bankruptcy, they were certainly on their way out. Frontier has done extremely well while in bankruptcy, and never would have gotten there if the credit wasn't pulled out from underneath them. The biggest difference is F9 bringing airframes into the equation while YX is not.

Vegaspilot 07-28-2009 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 652012)
...what will happen to the Lynx pilots? We all know BB's disdain for turboprops?

Thats what I want to know. Nobody ever seems to mention Lynx when talking about this whole deal.


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