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JumpCaptain 07-29-2009 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 652501)
If an arbitrator decides that Lynx is a lesser company than Republic, then he has to consider Republic a lesser company than the other two.

I think what you're saying is true. Frontier is clearly the "Major" while RAH is a giant compared to Lynx. In a perfect merger it would probably be a staple like Frontier\RAH\Lynx.

Unfortunatly, this situation is not a "perfect merger". In fact it's not a merger at all. RAH is buying Frontier out of bankruptcy. So most likely we'll see a percentage based seniority intigration where RAH pilots make out better than they otherwise would have.

Of course this whole discussion is silly if SouthWest comes in at the last minute and buys Frontier. But if that happens, that might not be a good thing for Lynx or Frontier pilots.

Good luck to everyone.

aewanabe 07-29-2009 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 652509)
I am a RAH pilot and I am anything but excited.

Hockeypilot, I admire your passion. Truly. Just not your venom. While the RAH group is not exempt from the 5% rule, you have no basis to justify the sweeping and all inclusive statements you make such as that above. It detracts from your credibility.

Hockeypilot is ex-RAH; he spent about 3.5 years on property, got some PIC and escaped to NW. Since then he has spent his time on the forums throwing bombs at his former co-workers. The ones trying to do what he did are in-experienced pimple-faced kids, and the lifers are inferior airline pilots.

Hetman 07-29-2009 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by aewanabe (Post 652549)
The ones trying to do what he did are in-experienced pimple-faced kids, and the lifers are inferior airline pilots.


aewanabe, I admire your passion. Truly. Just not your venom. While the RAH group is not exempt from the 5% rule, you have no basis to justify the sweeping and all inclusive statements you make such as that above. It detracts from your credibility.

Fishfreighter 07-29-2009 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 652286)
I predict the buses will be swapped for LCCs E190s and the Frontier pilots will have to fly for RAH rates and rules or take a hike. Sound familiar?


That's exactly how its going to go. RAH will replace the 'Bus with the E-190 as the leases come due. F9 guys will be furloughed. Until the SLI is finalized, every furloughed F9 pilot will go BEHIND the RAH furloughs and the Midwest furloughs.

That's precedent.

And there will be NO DoH. Its not a feature of Allegheny/Mohawk, the current law applicable to diverse union or non-union pilot SLIs.

Hetman 07-29-2009 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Fishfreighter (Post 652612)
That's exactly how its going to go. RAH will replace the 'Bus with the E-190 as the leases come due. F9 guys will be furloughed. Until the SLI is finalized, every furloughed F9 pilot will go BEHIND the RAH furloughs and the Midwest furloughs.

That's precedent.

And there will be NO DoH. Its not a feature of Allegheny/Mohawk, the current law applicable to diverse union or non-union pilot SLIs.

I fear you are correct with the replacements. The only hope is an improved contract. Although there is very little incentive on the part of MGT to expedite the Section 6 process, perhaps there will be more pressure from the integrated group in combination with the new leadership at the 747, provided of course that the group is willing to work together. That is a big if. Time will tell

And that's really too bad about DOH; that is how it should go, even though most, if not all of the F9 and YX guys would go above me. I would like to see DOH and fenced by paint and have made that suggestion to the guys working the integration, but I don't see it happening.

yxcanned 07-29-2009 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 652647)
I fear you are correct with the replacements. The only hope is an improved contract. Although there is very little incentive on the part of MGT to expedite the Section 6 process, perhaps there will be more pressure from the integrated group in combination with the new leadership at the 747, provided of course that the group is willing to work together. That is a big if. Time will tell

And that's really too bad about DOH; that is how it should go, even though most, if not all of the F9 and YX guys would go above me. I would like to see DOH and fenced by paint and have made that suggestion to the guys working the integration, but I don't see it happening.

If the F9 and YX guys get hosed in the SLI, (a lot of them getting stapled) it will create an extremely toxic environment in the cockpit at RAH for decades. This upside down seniority list will have a negative effect on the operations.

TillerEnvy 07-29-2009 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 652647)

And that's really too bad about DOH; that is how it should go, even though most, if not all of the F9 and YX guys would go above me. I would like to see DOH and fenced by paint and have made that suggestion to the guys working the integration, but I don't see it happening.

So, you want DOH at RAH even though our contract clearly states that's not how it would go down? Aye aye aye. Unbelievable.

likeitis 07-29-2009 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by yxcanned (Post 652805)
If the F9 and YX guys get hosed in the SLI, (a lot of them getting stapled) it will create an extremely toxic environment in the cockpit at RAH for decades. This upside down seniority list will have a negative effect on the operations.

No it wouldn't. Hard to happen when no YX pilots will go there. Even in a ratio integration most pilots will losing between 6-14 years of seniority plus the nice 60% pay cut. They will be losing more years of seniority than the pilots they are merging with have years flying. Nevermind the fact that they are back at a commuter being treated like trash.

MD80 07-29-2009 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by yxcanned (Post 652805)
If the F9 and YX guys get hosed in the SLI, (a lot of them getting stapled) it will create an extremely toxic environment in the cockpit at RAH for decades. This upside down seniority list will have a negative effect on the operations.


Bingo... the Republic/Teamsters way of doing business.

Hetman 07-29-2009 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 652822)
So, you want DOH at RAH even though our contract clearly states that's not how it would go down? Aye aye aye. Unbelievable.

By "our contract" do you mean the RAH contract? Sorry, serious question. I don't know who you work for. Regardless, do you have the cite? Chapter and verse, please.


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