What's gonna happen with Lynx? Rumor has it that BB is already in talks for more flying for Q's to compete with "another" Q operator, so this "disdain for turbo props" that the local Internet Studs speak of will be wrong. Assuming this deal goes through (which I hope someone else comes in and outbids us) more TP's will be on property flying for Frontier as well as other majors.

The Q400 is budgeted at 260 Gallons per hour and the E170 is 480. Sure the jet is faster but only by 5-10 minutes on the average DEN leg. If BB does hate TP's I am sure they will grow on him when his company is paying the fuel bill. I have been flying the plane since 12/07 and have only bumped PAX once and that was in ASE. The Q is a workhorse in DEN and it would cost him a ton of money to replace them.

I'm curious as to why you think the Frontier pilots should be merged percentile and the Lynx pilots should be stapled. The Lynx pay is closer to Republics than Frontier's. If anything thing the Frontier pilots should be stapled at the top and the Lynx pilots merged in a percentile fashion.

The one thing I wonder about the Frontier Pilots Union is if they are in communication with the Midwest Pilots Union to figure out if there's a way to block republic from scabbing the Frontier flying with republic E-190 jets. It's only taken republic a short time to run all the Midwest guys out of a proper airline job in favor of regional wages on republic (mainline-sized) regional jets. I fear the same fate for the Frontier pilot corp.

If this is allowed to continue, the happy-for-now republic pilots will also be replaced in a few short years by a lower paid pilot group as the precedent has been set here by management. (beautiful for them)

The management's will all blow sunshine until the deals are done with the courts and their bonuses are paid out, just to keep the troops docile.

Wait until about six months from now when that first E-190 starts flying that F9 route out of DEN.

What's the Frontier Pilot Union going to do then? Negociate? What leverage did the Midwest guys have or not have?

Also as an aside, the Frontier Flight Attendents had better vote in a union in the next month or so or IMO they'll all be on the street post-merger. It's amazing how that group has been convinced all these years that they don't need a union. Their relative bargaining weakness has benefited the pilots and mechanics, so I guess it's good for pilots.

-Chief Ouray.........

you miss understood what i said or i didnt make it clear enough. If the most senior guy at lynx is April/May 07 and they have been hiring through to the present time than giving them date of hire would be stapeling most of them since the most junior guy on furlogh at RW is march 08 and most junior working is either january of febuary of 08. DOH would basically be stapeling the lynx guys. once again this is based on the assumtion that most of them have been hired past march 08.

No it's not. Midwest said in public statements that it would not have been able to survive without the additional financing.

Well if Midwest pilots are out of a job with mainline pay/seniority, then it HASN'T survived has it. What has survived is a LOGO, and CEO's inflated paychecks. What's left is nothing. Nothing good or worthwhile will be left. BB will be remembered as Lorenzo's protege'.

Other airlines' CEO's have said the same thing and those airlines are still here. It is a move to try and get labor unions to agree to concessions. In the Midwest case, it did not work. Are you by Chance a first officer making less than $37/hour?


If you give the Midwest pilots straight DOH, the most junior Midwest pilot still working will be about number 20 on the Republic list. DOH is not used anymore. If an arbitrator decides that Lynx is a lesser company than Republic, then he has to consider Republic a lesser company than the other two.

That is true. For some reason this excites the Republic pilots. They think their airline will be the next major. It will never happen. They will never make as much money as the former Midwest pilots. If they did, it would defeat the purpose of replacing the Midwest employees with cheaper labor.

I am a RAH pilot and I am anything but excited.

Hockeypilot, I admire your passion. Truly. Just not your venom. While the RAH group is not exempt from the 5% rule, you have no basis to justify the sweeping and all inclusive statements you make such as that above. It detracts from your credibility.