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Hetman

07-29-2009 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by yxcanned (Post 652805)

If the F9 and YX guys get hosed in the SLI, (a lot of them getting stapled) it will create an extremely toxic environment in the cockpit at RAH for decades. This upside down seniority list will have a negative effect on the operations.

Boyoboy! If that's not an understatement!

aewanabe

07-29-2009 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 652588)

aewanabe, I admire your passion. Truly. Just not your venom. While the RAH group is not exempt from the 5% rule, you have no basis to justify the sweeping and all inclusive statements you make such as that above. It detracts from your credibility.

Uh, Hetman, you need a new sarcasm meter. I am ex-RAH, and while I don't agree with Bedford's business plans and frankly can't stand Wayne Heller, I don't think this is the pilot group's fault. Re-read brother, there are many guys there whom I admire greatly. My point was HP believes anyone there who is a lifer is a loser, and if you didn't have enough experience to leave prior to '07-'08 you're a pimply-faced kid. :cool:

F9er	07-29-2009 03:42 PM

I love reading posts from guys who say "it will happen!"

FAPA (frontier's pilot union) is in talks right now for a SLI, so no one knows how this will work out. My personal opinion is that this whole things sucks, but it is better to try and knock this SLI out before BB does what we all know he will eventually do.

Will some guys get upset, yes. As much as I don't want to work for a regional again, I feel this might be our time to create a company that will attract guys who will have the possibility to move up from the RJ to an Airbus.

Now, should a 12 yr RAH captain be able to bid a captain airbus spot? No, but he should have the opportunity to move over to the airbus if he chooses and start like the rest of us did. Better work rules, QOL, pay......

I going to take a chill pill and see how this thing plays out, as I think we all should. I am done with the RAH is my enemy mentality.

RAHPilot5

07-29-2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by F9er (Post 653003)

I love reading posts from guys who say "it will happen!"

FAPA (frontier's pilot union) is in talks right now for a SLI, so none of know how this will work out. My personal opinion is that this whole things sucks, but it is better to try and knock this SLI out before BB does what we all know he will eventually do.

Will some guys get upset, yes. As much as I don't want to work for a regional again, I feel this might be our time to create a company that will attract guys who will have the possibility to move up from the RJ to an Airbus.

Now, should a 12 yr RAH captain be able to bid a captain airbus spot? No, but he should have the opportunity to move over to the airbus if he chooses and start like the rest of us did. Better work rules, QOL, pay......

I going to take a chill pill and see how this thing plays out, as I think we all should. I am done with the RAH is my enemy mentality.

agreed! Thanks F9er

G-Dog

07-30-2009 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 652384)

Republic is being chosen because Republic pilots make so little. It seems you guys are proud of that fact. Then you act surprised when the remaining Midwest pilots have nothing good to say about your pilot group.

This has to be the most idiotic statement made. Yeah, I go home everynight and say, "I make more than enough money, I think I will take some concessions on the next contract."

Get real and get a life.

G-Dog

07-30-2009 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 652415)

I'm curious as to why you think the Frontier pilots should be merged percentile and the Lynx pilots should be stapled. The Lynx pay is closer to Republics than Frontier's. If anything thing the Frontier pilots should be stapled at the top and the Lynx pilots merged in a percentile fashion.

Dude, Lynx is so new the paint on the planes is still wet. The best Lynx could hope for is a DOH. I am sure Frontier will come out pretty good when it comes to an integration.

MatthewAMEL

07-30-2009 08:56 AM

Has this ever happened before? Has a smaller A/C operator acquired a larger A/C operator?

Is there any precedent?

How much weight will be given to the fact that almost all the Frontier guys flew RJ-level A/C for years before moving to Frontier and the Airbus?

ToiletDuck

07-30-2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL (Post 653407)

US Airways.

ToiletDuck

07-30-2009 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 652822)

So, you want DOH at RAH even though our contract clearly states that's not how it would go down? Aye aye aye. Unbelievable.

He wants a staple of all RAH FO's since his pay and QOL will not be affected. I think it's a pretty shallow and hypocritical view myself.

Jay5150

07-30-2009 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 653488)

US Airways.

The smaller airline in the US/AWA was/is flying 320's, 73's and 75's. The pay was/is within about $10 of the other carrier.

Republic's pay and equipment aren't even close to being in the same ballpark as Midex or Fronteir's.

AWA may have been a bit smaller than USair in total size, but to say that it's a precedent for this RAH mess is laughable.

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