I smell a merger brewing with AA/ US Airways
09-08-2009, 01:34 PM
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I smell a merger brewing with AA/ US Airways
Recent activities at US Airways lends belief to the possibility of a merger between American and US Airways. Here are the reasons that support this belief:
- US Airways has traded a majority of their slots at LGA in exchange for more slots at DCA. This puts Airways in a dominant position at DCA. American has the majority of slots at LGA. That said, a merger would put the new company with the majority of slots in the nations three largest markets; New York, Washington, and Philadelphia.
- US Airways lacks hubs in the midwest. American has midwest hubs at DFW and ORD. American lacks hubs in the west (minus LAX) and central east coast. US Airways has PHX, LAS, and CLT. A merger would put the new company with hubs spaced stategically across the country in the biggest markets.
- American has shed almost all of their turboprops, and now US Airways is following suit by downsizing the Dash 8 fleet.
- Finally, there have been numerous meetings between Doug Parker and Gerard Arpey, some public, some not. Some flight crews have spotted Doug Parker on DFW flights.
These items do seem to point at the possibility of a merger or aquisition. Stay tuned.
- US Airways has traded a majority of their slots at LGA in exchange for more slots at DCA. This puts Airways in a dominant position at DCA. American has the majority of slots at LGA. That said, a merger would put the new company with the majority of slots in the nations three largest markets; New York, Washington, and Philadelphia.
- US Airways lacks hubs in the midwest. American has midwest hubs at DFW and ORD. American lacks hubs in the west (minus LAX) and central east coast. US Airways has PHX, LAS, and CLT. A merger would put the new company with hubs spaced stategically across the country in the biggest markets.
- American has shed almost all of their turboprops, and now US Airways is following suit by downsizing the Dash 8 fleet.
- Finally, there have been numerous meetings between Doug Parker and Gerard Arpey, some public, some not. Some flight crews have spotted Doug Parker on DFW flights.
These items do seem to point at the possibility of a merger or aquisition. Stay tuned.
09-08-2009, 01:52 PM
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I seriously doubt it- the labor waters are too poisoned as is, adding the APA to the mix will only make it worse. My thoughts regarding the Doug visits to DFW are simply a plea to sell something to AMR to get enough cash to make it through the winter. In all likelihood, LCC will be sold in pieces. CLT isn't much of an O&D hub because CLT isn't much of a city size-wise. Phoenix is one of the most depressed cities in the country right now as well as Las Vegas. The only value of USAirways to AMR would probably be DCA, possibly the rusting town of PHL, if LUV doesn't completely take that over.
09-08-2009, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
Recent activities at US Airways lends belief to the possibility of a merger between American and US Airways. Here are the reasons that support this belief:
- US Airways has traded a majority of their slots at LGA in exchange for more slots at DCA. This puts Airways in a dominant position at DCA. American has the majority of slots at LGA. That said, a merger would put the new company with the majority of slots in the nations three largest markets; New York, Washington, and Philadelphia.
- US Airways has traded a majority of their slots at LGA in exchange for more slots at DCA. This puts Airways in a dominant position at DCA. American has the majority of slots at LGA. That said, a merger would put the new company with the majority of slots in the nations three largest markets; New York, Washington, and Philadelphia.
New York, yes......Washington and Philadelphia, no. They are not the three largest markets. That said, you may be right......if so, god help the AA pilots! I wouldn't want to be thrown into a pilot group that included US Air pilots, they have their heads up their ass and I can only imagine what ridiculous demands they would make for that seniority list!
09-08-2009, 01:59 PM
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Something is going on.... This is a hot topic on our union message board. Many of us keep hearing some "Big" announcement in October//
Oh no........
AA
Oh no........
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09-08-2009, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AAflyer
Something is going on.... This is a hot topic on our union message board. Many of us keep hearing some "Big" announcement in October//
Oh no........
AA
Oh no........
AA
09-08-2009, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AAflyer
Something is going on.... This is a hot topic on our union message board. Many of us keep hearing some "Big" announcement in October//
Oh no........
AA
Oh no........
AA
09-08-2009, 02:05 PM
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Little off topic...
I was in an AA chief pilots office and he was on a phone call while I was in there. It was a conference call for a tentative agreement with AA managers. It had all CP's from the AA domiciles and some committee people. He said "you didnt hear anything!" (uh huh ok!) SO something is in the works...
I was in an AA chief pilots office and he was on a phone call while I was in there. It was a conference call for a tentative agreement with AA managers. It had all CP's from the AA domiciles and some committee people. He said "you didnt hear anything!" (uh huh ok!) SO something is in the works...
09-08-2009, 02:11 PM
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Not sure how great this would be at all. I "personally" do not say anything but bad juju in this.
In awe of the DAL/NWA "merger".. They created a true global powerhouse. They did with dignity and respect for each other and their co-workers.
Good luck to us all, this next year will see a dynamic shift in what this industry will look like.
AA
In awe of the DAL/NWA "merger".. They created a true global powerhouse. They did with dignity and respect for each other and their co-workers.
Good luck to us all, this next year will see a dynamic shift in what this industry will look like.
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09-08-2009, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AAflyer
Something is going on.... This is a hot topic on our union message board. Many of us keep hearing some "Big" announcement in October//
Oh no........
AA
Oh no........
AA
Should both parties agree to proceed with the nuptuals (I know the bride in PHX is DESPERATE), then I would think a MAJOR gutting of U would be necessary. Fleet commanality is poor and labor integration will be horrendous, but it could be a way to tap into addional feed to bypass the scope issue.
How would the current CBA handle all their 70 (and some 90) seaters ?
If they had to whack most of U's larger RJ's in addition to the above issues, I cannot see what's left that lends itself to a merger.
09-08-2009, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
With the current hopeless disarray at U, I would think it a disasterous move for a full blown marraige. Perhaps an agreement for a succesion of one-night stands is in the works to both carriers benefit.
Should both parties agree to proceed with the nuptuals (I know the bride in PHX is DESPERATE), then I would think a MAJOR gutting of U would be necessary. Fleet commanality is poor and labor integration will be horrendous, but it could be a way to tap into addional feed to bypass the scope issue.
How would the current CBA handle all their 70 (and some 90) seaters ?
If they had to whack most of U's larger RJ's in addition to the above issues, I cannot see what's left that lends itself to a merger.
Should both parties agree to proceed with the nuptuals (I know the bride in PHX is DESPERATE), then I would think a MAJOR gutting of U would be necessary. Fleet commanality is poor and labor integration will be horrendous, but it could be a way to tap into addional feed to bypass the scope issue.
How would the current CBA handle all their 70 (and some 90) seaters ?
If they had to whack most of U's larger RJ's in addition to the above issues, I cannot see what's left that lends itself to a merger.
The E-190s are currently at mainline Usair, so I presume that would transfer over to us. However their numerous feed contracts with other airlines flying 70 and 90 seat jets... Bad for us at AA, and bad for you at AE.
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