I smell a merger brewing with AA/ US Airways
09-08-2009 | 02:34 PM
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The term "turd sandwich" comes to mind. Merging APA with USAPA/West ALPA is not a recipe for labor success.
09-08-2009 | 02:57 PM
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I don't have any "inside" info like the other insiders around here, but taking a step back and asking the question "why?" leads me to easily conclude this will never happen. AMR doesn't have the money, LCC is toxic and has never found a way to make money (even the west side just managed to scrape by for two decades with a bankruptcy and defacto bankruptcy with the ATSB in its portfolio).
If anything happens between the two companies I suspect it would be an asset transfer. The only problem, it is hard to find an "asset" in anything from USAir.
If anything happens between the two companies I suspect it would be an asset transfer. The only problem, it is hard to find an "asset" in anything from USAir.
09-08-2009 | 02:58 PM
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Another reason I forgot to mention: AMR desperately wants APA to relinquish scope, which fortunately, APA has not ceded ground to. A merger or aquisition of US Airways would give AMR the scope relief they want.
As far as the labor side, yes, it would be a god forsaken turd pile of a mess, especially knowing how numbskulled these US Airways East pilots are. If a deal were to occur, it might go down as an aquisition to keep the Airways pilots from screwing up the integration. I just hope that if any of this does comes to fruition that they will integrate PSA/ Piedmont into American Eagle using the ALPA merger policy for seniority integration.
As far as the labor side, yes, it would be a god forsaken turd pile of a mess, especially knowing how numbskulled these US Airways East pilots are. If a deal were to occur, it might go down as an aquisition to keep the Airways pilots from screwing up the integration. I just hope that if any of this does comes to fruition that they will integrate PSA/ Piedmont into American Eagle using the ALPA merger policy for seniority integration.
09-08-2009 | 03:01 PM
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I don't have any "inside" info like the other insiders around here, but taking a step back and asking the question "why?" leads me to easily conclude this will never happen. AMR doesn't have the money, LCC is toxic and has never found a way to make money (even the west side just managed to scrape by for two decades with a bankruptcy and defacto bankruptcy with the ATSB in its portfolio).
If anything happens between the two companies I suspect it would be an asset transfer. The only problem, it is hard to find an "asset" in anything from USAir.
If anything happens between the two companies I suspect it would be an asset transfer. The only problem, it is hard to find an "asset" in anything from USAir.
09-08-2009 | 03:01 PM
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Another reason I forgot to mention: AMR desperately wants APA to relinquish scope, which fortunately, APA has not ceded ground to. A merger or aquisition of US Airways would give AMR the scope relief they want.
As far as the labor side, yes, it would be a god forsaken turd pile of a mess, especially knowing how numbskulled these US Airways East pilots are. If a deal were to occur, it might go down as an aquisition to keep the Airways pilots from screwing up the integration. I just hope that if any of this does comes to fruition that they will integrate PSA/ Piedmont into American Eagle using the ALPA merger policy for seniority integration.
As far as the labor side, yes, it would be a god forsaken turd pile of a mess, especially knowing how numbskulled these US Airways East pilots are. If a deal were to occur, it might go down as an aquisition to keep the Airways pilots from screwing up the integration. I just hope that if any of this does comes to fruition that they will integrate PSA/ Piedmont into American Eagle using the ALPA merger policy for seniority integration.
Buying Usairways does not relinquish SCOPE, or make our SCOPE clause disappear. However I am not sure of the feeder ramifications.
09-08-2009 | 03:04 PM
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While I feel I have a fairly solid understanding of our SCOPE clause, I am not sure. I am hesitant to say something and it be incorrect. I posed the question to a few others at AA that can hopefully reference the contract.
What about Eagle?
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09-08-2009 | 03:04 PM
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Another reason I forgot to mention: AMR desperately wants APA to relinquish scope, which fortunately, APA has not ceded ground to. A merger or aquisition of US Airways would give AMR the scope relief they want.
As far as the labor side, yes, it would be a god forsaken turd pile of a mess, especially knowing how numbskulled these US Airways East pilots are. If a deal were to occur, it might go down as an aquisition to keep the Airways pilots from screwing up the integration. I just hope that if any of this does comes to fruition that they will integrate PSA/ Piedmont into American Eagle using the ALPA merger policy for seniority integration.
As far as the labor side, yes, it would be a god forsaken turd pile of a mess, especially knowing how numbskulled these US Airways East pilots are. If a deal were to occur, it might go down as an aquisition to keep the Airways pilots from screwing up the integration. I just hope that if any of this does comes to fruition that they will integrate PSA/ Piedmont into American Eagle using the ALPA merger policy for seniority integration.
Anything is possible, I suppose, but additonal clues to that would be in the APA's CBA language regarding mergers/acquisitions and feeder stipulations.
09-08-2009 | 03:05 PM
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By using the US Airways operating certificate, they are subject to the current labor contract for that certificate, which allows scope to other regional carriers. They can use the RJ's already in use at Airways to fly routes.
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