TPROP4ever

The one who wants to have a younger person pay for his SS, while he has an A fund, and then keep us from even contributing to my 401k the only thing We'll have. And by the way the gen x which you refered to as kids, is around 33-50 years old grandpa....I thank you for ruining our chance at retirement, The gov already says 68 for my Gen. Your greed has screwed your children, and we sure wont have the money to put you in a good nursing home someday, its the state facility for you...

IronWalt

I could not have said it better myself!!!! So very true. Maybe I will become a reverse mortgage salesman since I will never upgrade due to age 65 greed.

paladin

I’ll remember my quote and if and when it happens I won’t take it personally I will simply deal with it; after all it’s only business. Also pilot groups have little to say when it comes to management decisions concerning buy outs etc. But, if that should happen the choice is easy; either work for the wages that are proffered or seek employment elsewhere. We have no right to a job, only the right to work if a job is offered and at whatever pay the market determines.

As far as APAAD and what they stand or pretend to stand for; I can’t speak for them. I do know that Emens and many others have fought and lobbied their entire career to have the “age 60” rule overturned. So to say “they push for this only when THEY needed it, not before when it would affect their career progression” is just flat out wrong, not to mention intellectually dishonest. Emens etal may have had control over their actions to have “age 60” overturned but what they didn’t have control of is the timing of the consequences of those actions. So for those who lament at the passing of the “age 60” rule they need to get over it. “Age 60” was passed in a “smoke filled” room of special interest and was unjust from the “get go”.

I have the stones to admit that I don’t worship at the altar of collectivism and the attendant union activism. So you are correct I don’t think much about the welfare of the members of your generation nor subsequent generations. Simply because, outside of the political process, there is little I can do to affect any outcome. My responsibility, and I accept it freely, is not to violate your individual rights as an American Citizen.

What we do agree on though is the generational theft that is currently happening. However, you need to check your facts. It was not the “baby boomers” who foisted the fraudulent SS Ponzi scheme on the American taxpayer. You need to go back to some members of another generation to what has been termed “the greatest generation”. It was the FDR administration and the era of the “New Deal” that laid the foundation for the scheme that is currently bankrupting our country. You can’t even lay the blame for Medicare/Medicaid at the feet of the “baby boomers”. That was passed in the mid 60’s by LBJ when the baby boomers had yet come of age to vote. The crux of such programs was to buy the votes of a substantial portion of the electorate with tax payers’ money, thereby, securing a perpetual incumbency for the looters who haunt the halls of Congress. So instead of crying “poor me” take a look around. There are other people besides the “Gen X” crowd that have paid taxes their entire working life and face the same fate of reduced or no pensions, reduced 401 expectations, and reduced or even no SS.

TPROP4ever

Paladin....ah never mind, nice job deflecting blame though, you should have been a politician... The "Greatest Generation" lived through the Depression, and lived within their means . It was their children (The Baby Boomers ) that invented extreme consumerism, because we have to outdo the Johnsons. Your generation believes they are entitled to SS, a huge pension, a 401K and to raise the retirment age for my generation, because you want a little more. We should have all retired by 60 (My gen also) and enjoyed life, unfortunatly, what you needed to be happy, wasnt enough it couldnt be achieved without working longer, and now thanks to you freely working longer, I have to work till 67, and the next generation will probably have the accepted retirment age raised on them too. Sooner or later people will just have to work till they are in teh grave, and it was the Baby Boomers Greed that started us down that slippery slope. We will never see Eye to Eye on this issue...2012 cant come soon enough...

paladin

I see you deleted your post quoting an editorial written by Brendan O"Neil who began his journalistic career writing for a magazine whose claim to fame is that it was a journal of the Revolutionary Communist Party. I'll give you credit for having second thoughts about using a piece that was authored by and referenced old hippies who have become counter-culture intellectuals and who are suffering from a moral hangover and feeling guilty about all the acid trips they took during the 60"s. But c'mon, to lay blame on an entire generation that spans almost 20 years for all of the ills of the country...that is a bit stretch, and painting with a rather large brush; don't you think?

While it is true the "Greatest Generation" has many heroes and for the most part lived within their means, but never-the-less the social policies that many rammed through congress has led the country down the road to serfdom. Deflecting blame...I don't think so; it is laying blame where it squarely belongs.

TPROP4ever

I felt better just expressing my opinion, thank you very much.
This quote from another reporter I think sums up the frustration of my generation, and is exactly how I feel. Pay particular attention to the underligned passages, they are very true ......


"As we're all aware, the baby boom is now shuffling rapidly towards retirement, while subsequent generations have neither the numbers, nor the earning capacity, to maintain their parents and grandparents in the lifestyles to which they've become accustomed. Unable to afford their own homes, burdened with student loans, and trapped in a low wage/low growth economy, they just won't pay enough tax to fund the future.

Meanwhile, boomers have the electoral heft through sheer numbers to push for gold-plated pension policies at the expense of looking after the families currently toiling to produce the next wave of taxpayers.

Having enjoyed free tertiary education and artificially buoyant employment in their own youth, they not only hauled up the ladder after them, they're now skewing the remaining privileges their way too."

paladin

The only thing I am entitled to is what I earn...nothing more nothing less.

You can retire anytime you please no one is holding a gun to your head.

Where do you get off telling me when I should retire? If I choose to work until 65 to get what I want that is my business.

Why do you have to work until you're 67 just because I choose to work? That line of reasoning doesn't follow.

Tell me you really don't believe in the 2012 nonsense...and if you do why do you even care about the retirement age?

TPROP4ever

It becomes a problem when the extention is due to poor planning.....and becomes my problem forced on me against my will..thats when...

Do you expect me to believe you really think that I think the world ends in 2012. That is flippin hillarious, i was refering to the guys that got extended by the age 65 rule hitting age 65 and moving on....geez, I'm almost offended

loungelzrd

Your entire first post was a personal attack and you tell me;

"Personal attacks are the first sign you have nothing relevant to add to the subject. "


Is it just me or is there something wrong here?

The NY times piece was on the op-ed page. It's an opinion. Anything I wrote would also be an opinion. You don't prove, or disprove anything with an opinion. Besides we all know what opinions are like don't we?

The way you carry on about the age discrimination part of the title you would think that age 65 only applied to those born between certain dates. That everyone else still had to retire at 60. It does apply to those that come after.

What does the NY times think of discrimination suits filed by the EEOC against airlines on behalf of women and minorities? Were those people being greedy? Were it not for those suits cockpits would have remained white and male for many more years, and that would have been a bad thing. At least that's my opinion.

Gomerglideslope

To whom do you attribute this quote?....And who the hell has a "gold-plated pension" these days?