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Old 09-29-2009 | 06:37 AM
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KC-135's had windows in the rear of the flight deck for star navigation.
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Old 09-29-2009 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by corl737
Here's the press release direct from Boeing:

Boeing Next-Generation 737 Gets a Face-Lift

SEATTLE, Jan. 26, 2005 -- Boeing [NYSE:BA] this week rolled out its first 737 without eyebrow windows, the four small windows above the front windshield. In the past the eyebrow windows helped provide better crew visibility, but today's advanced navigation systems have made those windows obsolete. The design change reduces airplane weight by 20 pounds and eliminates approximately 300 hours of periodic inspections per airplane. Retrofit kits to cover eyebrow windows will be available mid-2006 for the in-service 737 fleet.

Boeing: Boeing Next-Generation 737 Gets a Face-Lift
I think this has been misinterpret... Because navigation has become more advanced (or more accurate), thus aircraft position is more accurate, the need to See and Avoid is less of an issue. So I don't think that the author was directly saying that they were used for navigation, but there is less of a need because navigation has improved.
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Old 09-29-2009 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by HSLD
Speaking of the 727 and sextants...

the 727 had a map light in the eyebrow window which had a convex lens on the end of it. If you turned the light all the way down to where there was the faintest glow, you could tell a F/A that it was a telescope. I had more than one F/A swear that they could see stars through it. All I could see was a pair of celestial bodies while the engineer was stuck looking at Uranus.

Point is, the view is what you make it.
That's right up there with the "AFT ENTRY" joke
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Old 09-29-2009 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 8CherryGarcia
. . . a do-hickey of a port above the FE. They said it was for the sextant. But the cool thing was the FE had about 5 feet of hose that he had rigged up to it, and pulled the cap off in flight and used the thing as an inflight vacuum cleaner!
It's in other older aircraft too, like the 74 Classic. Makes a good hard boiled egg cannon . . . I've heard.
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Old 09-29-2009 | 11:10 AM
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Some of the older DC-8's I flew had them too.

Originally Posted by Sniper
It's in other older aircraft too, like the 74 Classic. Makes a good hard boiled egg cannon . . . I've heard.
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Old 09-29-2009 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Sniper
It's in other older aircraft too, like the 74 Classic. Makes a good hard boiled egg cannon . . . I've heard.
The one's in the E-3 (707) made good Hot Dog cannons, or like you said, so I've heard..., hard to explain hot dog guts frozen to the dish though, ( I can neither confirm nor deny whether someone I knew in a previous life told me this story over a few beers one night...)
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Old 09-29-2009 | 02:17 PM
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I would remove the tinted sunscreen and checklists that were crammed in the eyebrow windows.

I liked the extra visibility, especially in the 727.
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Old 09-29-2009 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ERJF15

KC-135's had windows in the rear of the flight deck for star navigation.

No, the KC-135 windows are just like the B-707 windows which are just like the B-727 windows which are just like the B-737 windows. No windows in the back.

What some of them have -- KC-135s, EC-135s, RC-135s, some other -135s -- or had -- B-727s, B747s -- is/was a hole in the top of the fuselage near the back of the cockpit, and a mount beneath that hole that accepts a persicopic sextant. The mount seals the hole when the sextant is not in use, and it holds the sextant in place when mounted. It holds it both in the retracted position (nothing sticking out of the airplane), and in the extended position -- to "shoot" celestial bodies. THe hole is 1.375" in diameter -- slightly smaller than the diameter of a large chicken egg. That doesn't mean a large chicken egg wouldn't fit through it, though.

Vacuuming with the sextant port was frowned on after debris kept getting lodged in the Q inlet, which affected rudder feel. My favorite party trick involved a roll of toilet paper. Insert wooden pencil through cardboard tube, and hang on to both ends of the pencil. Open sextant port and put end of roll up to the hole. As long as nothing gets caught and it's allowed to unroll freely, it takes about 3 seconds for a full roll to unwind and exit the airplane.




Originally Posted by Captain Bligh

The airplanes originally dispatched with navigators all had sextant ports like a blow-hole in the roof of the cockpit. Sometimes there was a tripod to mount the sextant on to steady it under the hole.

A tripod would have rendered a sextant useless. The person using the sextant has to move the sextant as the airplane moves -- even when it seems straight-and-level, unaccelerated, the view through the sextant window says otherwise. The only tripod normally associated with celestial navigation might be found on the stool to stand on so one could reach the sextant hanging from the ceiling. (Another "fun" thing to do was to feed in a good portion of rudder before a cel shot began, and then during the shot, slowly let the rudder out and feed in the opposite rudder. Of course, it's only advisable to play that game when other means of navigation are in use, because the results of that cel shot won't be pretty. )



Eyebrow windows are handy for receiver air refueling.






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Old 09-29-2009 | 07:43 PM
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Periscopic Sextant

MIL-S-5807A Sextant, Aircraft, Periscopic

Should you wish to buy one

MILITARY AIRCRAFT PERISCOPE SEXTANT - Surplus Shed

Instructions

http://www.ion.org/museum/files/periscopicSextant.pdf


The Astrodome

File:Reliant Astrodome.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oops, sorry. And an Astrodome

File:Astrodome On Warwick.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And if I recall correctly, the film The High and the Mighty

Photos from The High and the Mighty

has a scene showing an astrodome in use.
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Old 09-29-2009 | 08:06 PM
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Getting some celestial nav instruction from the Navigator helped to pass the time on long night flights. About all I remember now is "follow the arc to Arcturus, and speed on to Spica." In earlier days, pilots could learn a lot from the Flight Engineer and Radio Operator too. Automation, for all its benefits, has taken away part of our aviation heritage.
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