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Originally Posted by LivingInMEM (Post 700455)

First of all, have you seen an F/O that wasn't at one point or another? How about a pilot on a late night or early morning or end of a long block of days or on the edge of getting the flu or any other number of factors - everyone has bad days. Being behind the jet equals lack of SA equals lack of positional SA (still on the white line) equals temporal distortion (has it been an hour since we talked to someone?) and on and on..... by the way, I fly freight at night to the northern tier - there are plenty of days where going close to an hour with no comms is the norm. It is not unheard of.

But flying through several states with no comm ?

Overflying your destination at cruise altitude to boot ?

There has GOT to be something more then a "little distraction" here.

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Originally Posted by contrail67 (Post 700615)

If you are trying to tell everyone you are like that then just say it...notice you are the only one that came up with that theory...kinda wierd....or queer....

I don't see any reason to say that. It's certainly plausible.

It doesn't matter if he is gay or not. It's a possibility, and he has a right to say it. Questioning his sexuality based on a theory is inappropriate and childish. And if you want to accuse me of the same thing, then that's fine, because I'll man up to it and say yes I am, not that it matters.

I doubt anything of the sort was going on in that flight deck, and I think it's a far fetched theory, but I wouldn't put it past a lot of pilots. It's not something I would ever do, but I know a lot of pilots who are horny old buggers.

Shut this thread down! In fact shut this whole website down! This has turned into an infantile playpen that in no way reflects the view of Airline Pilot Professionals. The generation Next wannabees and frustrated RJ copilots that want the left seat of a 777 now have taken over. I haven't seen a serious mature discussion here lately. Website doomed.

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Originally Posted by Joe Smith (Post 700532)

Just a crazy thought - nothing negative intended - don't know all of the facts - Any chance that the CA and FO had something going on? Crazy, yes, but we are all about conjecture now . . .

That's a good point. Anyone know if these two guys are ex-Navy.:D

Seriously, the problem I have with this event is not that these guys screwed up, because obviously they did. It's the fact that some here seem to think that it's ok, just because metal wasn't bent or people weren't killed. It's NOT. Events like this give this profession a seriously bad image, one that we can do without. The second problem I have (with it) is that, to me anyway, if it looks like a duck, and it smells like a duck, and it waddles like a duck, and it sh!ts like a duck, I'm usually convinced. However, if all the above are true, and it then quacks like a duck.....I don't see how any other conclusion can be made. With that in mind, being a duck, probably isn't the best thing one could be, but to stand there and tell me that you're actually an elephant......well that goes too far.

JJ

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 699332)

Actually we do quite a good job of policing ourselves. If you look at almost any other profession you will see that only repeated gross poor performance is a reason for being removed. I worked a side business providing services for medium size companies and the buffoonery that went on there was incredible.

No one would argue that these two incidents (taxiway landing, flying past destination) are mistakes. I am sure the two crews would give a lot to have a do over for this.

The question is do you throw away these people for one mistake? How many years of service, how many flights have these two crews given to their airlines with no problems. We are human, we make mistakes. If you threw away everyone who makes a mistake then you will create a pretty toxic atmosphere in the company and in the cockpit. Can you imagine a crew racing each other to turn each other in whenever something out of the ordinary comes up. How about a missed radio call? What if a Captain makes a wrong turn on a taxiway?

I have been at Delta for awhile now. They do a very good job of protecting their pilots even after they make mistakes. For everyone new to Delta, you should remember that management will not forgive lying to them. If you fell asleep, tell them you fell asleep, etc. After you give them the full story, they will stand behind you for the FAA and all other comers.

We have a great profession that performs miracles every day. We are human also. Learn from your own mistakes, learn from others mistakes, let's not rush to judgment and throw people away as soon as they act human.

Huh?????:confused: "Miracles"??? mmmmmmmkay.

We aren't gods just because we fly airplanes. There is nothing miraculous about flight or our profession.

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Originally Posted by Kingbird87 (Post 700662)

The generation Next wannabees and frustrated RJ copilots that want the left seat of a 777 now have taken over. I haven't seen a serious mature discussion here lately.

Maybe we should turn it over to the "pull up the ladder, I got mine!" age 65 gummers trolling here.

We could all have a great discussion on where to get volume discounts on Depends and Viagra.

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Originally Posted by C152PIC (Post 699491)

This makes me sick! Say what you will about me after I post this, but seriously, GROW UP and take responsibility for YOUR actions and stop blaming "the industry" that you so desperatly want to remain a part of. On one of my recent trips I awoke at 3:30am to commute after getting up at midnight with a new baby, and yeah...I was flippin tired on our last leg (of 5) also around 8:00pm, but I'm an adult and I stuck it out no matter what it took because it's MY JOB to keep the people SAFE in the back. And for what it's worth, from what I've heard it was leg 1 of 2 after a 19 hr rest for this crew.

Sure, I feel that people should be allowed to make mistakes and their jobs should survive. However, mistakes as big as this and as terribly as this outcome could have been are inexcusable! There's plenty of qualified people in line to take their place.

It's things like this that make me paranoid to be in the back. I'm curious to know that if the outcome were different would you still have the same response? If this plane had run out of fuel and the pilots awoke to make an emergency landing and only killed half the people onboard, would you still be insistent that these pilots should keep their jobs?? Because after all, they saved half the people....that's better than none!

This is what scares me about APC. We have professional pilots who openly admit that they were fatigued, who didn't have the professionalism or maturity to call in sick/fatigue, and who willingly put themselves, their coworkers, and passengers in an unsafe situation; only to be bragging about it and that they didn't make any major mistakes!

If it means anything C152PIC, it is these rookie decisions and online posts that make me paranoid to be in the back. :eek:

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