MD80 I can understand with what’s happened to Midwest that you are disgusted with Republic and the IBT but isn’t ALPA just as responsible?

The looming question for all of us in this integration process is who will end up representing all parties, ALPA, IBT, FAPA, UTU?

I know quite a few TWA pilots who have never been recalled, I sincerely hope the same does not happen to your group, you deserve better.

BTW, an E190 was in DEN last night in Midwest colors without the “connect”.

 

I was kidding there bud. I volunteer my time on one of the committees at RAH with the wonderful IBT. Doesn't mean Im an IBT cheerleader but you can't complain unless you have put in some time right? I know I don't want ALPA here but Im not completely against going at it alone. The IBT has been making some steps, albeit small ones, to improve the communications and try to get the new higher ups in tune with what the pilot group wants. Recently announced that they are going to start monthly web video conference calls that will be a Q&A Town Hall type feel. They also have a flurry of online surveys coming out to try to get the EXCO and negotiating committees more in tune with what the entire group wants. I was pretty down on the IBT until they really ticked WH off. If they are gonna have the balls to rattle managements cage a little more often then things are moving in the right direction in my opinion.

 

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I would not call myself a fan of ALPA or Teamsters considering the events at Midwest.

In the future a vote will be coming at the new Republic Airways for representation. I have been a ALPA member for years and need to understand the +/- of IBT verses a independent union.

 

What are you getting at with this?

 

As a continual lurker on the forum I have seen countless and in many cases unjust attacks on unions from other unions (ALPA vs. IBT vs. different independent unions and etc). This is probably the most disturbing trend I’m seeing in our profession. I’m no old timer, but I have been an airline pilot for 15 years and an airline brat my whole life. I think we all need to ask ourselves “How’s this been workin’ for us?” I think it hasn’t and never will.

MD80 – I hope that your thread was not started to try and stir up any union agenda. You asked an honest question and it sounds like ATCsaidDoWhat has given you plenty of information as well as a link to pursue your own investigation.

EmbraerFlyer and B7ER Guy – ALPA in the last magazine put out a message that declares the importance of teaming up with and leveraging all walks of labor. That came out after the IBT did an incredible job using that type of tactic to pull off a strike. Let’s face it, without that type of support, how easy would it have been to replace 60 pilots?

The elitist mentality of airline pilots vs. other LABOR groups is truly disgusting. If you two want to try to go it alone…..good luck, look what that has done for our industry.

From my research on line, the IBT has an entire Airline Division run by Pilots and an Assistant Division Director that is a former 23 year ALPA Lawyer and Contract Administrator. To say that they are being represented by a group that is unfamiliar with pilots is just plain foolish.

TrojanCMH – I have no idea the validity of your claim. I will say that I am impressed and always will be impressed with the safety initiatives that ALPA has put in place on behalf of ALL pilots. If the IBT were in need of a safety proposal, why reinvent the wheel. The Amerijet strike is obviously a place where ALPA can learn from the IBT. These two Unions should work together, and it’s members should demand nothing less.

What we have here is a problem with MEMBERS of the Unions, spending our time engaging in bashing individual unions and members instead of using that time and energy to promote the careers of every airline pilot. Meanwhile the Air Transport Assoc. guys would just love to see airline pilots fragmented as a group.

One last thought. I have to agree with ATCsaidDoWhat, When I went as an ALPA pilot down to the Amerijet Strike, I saw plenty of ALPA pilots. I did not see any support or communication of support from ALPA National until the strike was almost over. Those ALPA pilots, the ones that showed up were embarrassed by their National Leadership. I was as well. That’s no bash on ALPA the members. It’s an indication of what needs to be changed. Let’s start working together.

 

The Teamsters Director of Safety was an active participate in every arc meeting for new proposal times. Teamsters Local 1224 Position: Regulatory Change Should Enhance Safety | SYS-CON MEDIA

 

I just talk to the Teamsters Director of Safety, and here's what's going on.
On the last day of the arc meeting, they agreed that nobody would go public with the proposed rules they came up with prior to the FAA finishing their work. Industry (management) put out their rules first for some sort of hidden agenda, then Alpa put their rules out to calm the pilots. Teamsters and Capa are sticking to their promise, they have made press releases and sent letters to Randy Babbit about their stance on the issue, but are not putting out their proposed times until after they agreed to do so.

 

It was just a deleted post 'cause I asked a question about WH that was answered on the previous page (which I failed to read)

 

Southwest and Jet Blue have independent union.

Do they get involved in these meetings or pay a lobby group to represent their opinions in Washington D.C. ? (example: developing the CASS system)