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Old 11-08-2009 | 03:29 AM
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Old 11-08-2009 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp


A vote was proposed to be put out to the CPZ pilot group by the CPZ coordinator, but the MEC nipped that in the bud. What does that tell you???
That there might be a representational conflict of interest?
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Old 11-08-2009 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
That there might be a representational conflict of interest?

Sure would have been easier to not screw the pooch instead of trying to prove how big their johnsons are.

You guys sure do love that self fulfilling prophecy, don't you? Oh, and still waiting for you to man up on the latest and greatest thread.

Toodles.

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Old 11-08-2009 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
That there might be a representational conflict of interest?
Is there interest of conflict between top 1% of the list and 98% of the list?
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Old 11-08-2009 | 07:18 PM
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It isn't personal and I don't hold a grudge, but it is what it is. Slow, if you, or Alpha, were close to the bottom and saw the risk of your job being outsourced, or worse, being outsourced when management decides they want to merge leaving you on the curb, you would feel the same way about your representation. If we become Delta pilots at Compass, we'd prefer to be represented by our MEC.

You might be comfortable with your seniority, that this will never effect you. But our MEC represents us all and has a duty to not leave a handful of members out simply because they have issues that the MEC does not want to deal with. Remember, the NWA MEC created this thing BUT the Delta and Compass pilots will bear the brunt of the representational abandonment.

The Chair and the MEC do 90% of their jobs well. But they did screw this up. I'm over it, it is done and I support my MEC - but - the real risk to my job remains. We're out over the ocean without a raft. Hope you're right and the flight maintains altitude.

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Old 11-09-2009 | 07:00 AM
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I like Pie.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm............pie.
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Old 11-09-2009 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I mean, who ever heard of a Delta hiring pool with an average age of 37, a Master's degree or better, a couple of major airlines, 5 Type ratings and 6,000+ hours of flight time, most int he left seat? But those were the numbers back in 2007.
Back in 2007 there were still thousands of post 9-11 pilots still on furlough and/or pilots who were "stuck" in jobs waiting to get on with a "major" building time. My question is as a Compass pilot, why would I want to pay dues to a MEC that was commited to terminate my job? Like at every regional there are guys at the top of the list that like their seniority and don't want to move on. Reducing their flying hurts them. Obviously reducing regional flying should mean more jobs at the majors so it is good for most but not for all. My point is there are two sides to every story.
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Old 11-09-2009 | 08:26 AM
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Don't get your point. Our MEC has not done anything to "terminate" your job.

The reason why it would be better for you to have a seat at the table, than to be locked out, is pretty obvious isn't it?

One of the reasons that I wrote to my Reps asking them to keep Compass in and put you guys on the list is that Delta would be unrestrained in using your aircraft to their full potential including acquiring the more capable versions if they wanted to. I also cautioned them that guys like you would immediately challenge our scope restrictions.

IMHO it was better to be seated at the same table than to challenge one another for flying.

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Old 11-09-2009 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Don't get your point. Our MEC has not done anything to "terminate" your job.

The reason why it would be better for you to have a seat at the table, than to be locked out, is pretty obvious isn't it?

One of the reasons that I wrote to my Reps asking them to keep Compass in and put you guys on the list is that Delta would be unrestrained in using your aircraft to their full potential including acquiring the more capable versions if they wanted to. I also cautioned them that guys like you would immediately challenge our scope restrictions.

IMHO it was better to be seated at the same table than to challenge one another for flying.
Agreed. If we were at the table, at least if there was a decrease in our flying, it would mean more flying at the mainline, which would be good for us at Compass. Those that want to stay at a regional should know that their jobs are subject to the whims of mainline management .
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Old 11-09-2009 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RoughLandings
Agreed. If we were at the table, at least if there was a decrease in our flying, it would mean more flying at the mainline, which would be good for us at Compass. Those that want to stay at a regional should know that their jobs are subject to the whims of mainline management .
Very few of us at Compass wish to make the regionals our last stop, most of us have flown for another regional and had to make the jump to CPS for a variety of reasons that demonstrated the folly of relying on a subcontractor for career security. Compass' unique lack of "lifers" represents an opportunity for DL guys to actually align their interests with DCI so we're all working towards the same goal rather than fighting over scraps. To most of us CPS guys, being kicked to the curb is a pretty clear signal that DALPA's current leadership has no interest in working with us - and by extension, has no interest in keeping outsourced flying close to the vest in preparation for an eventual recapture.

I do think that mindset has a good chance of changing in the coming years, perhaps starting with the current elections.
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