Originally Posted by dosbo

Your'e right competition is a good thing but customers should know what they are buying and what the true quality of that product is before stepping on an aircraft.

Currently airlilnes run like a shell game outsourcing whatever they can, changing rules for customers frequently, while doing it under the apperance of one big happy airline. Domestic flying is outsourced to the lowest bidder, maintenance is outsourced overseas with little Fed oversight, and with internet ticket purchasing talking with a reservation agent (again outsourced) costs more money.

Mainline domestic workforces have been severely slashed over the last decade yet route structures remain relatively the same size. At what point does the outsourcing (domestic and overseas) end.

Perhaps when only the corporate headquarters remains will someone realize there is nothing left to outsource and no company left to run, only vendors to manage. What will the executives do when they need to outsource themselves to cut costs further just to remain competitive?

If I put my family on a plane I certainly don't want it operated by the lowest common denominator.

Originally Posted by Free Bird

This industry really does suck. Here's an idea to ease congestion and delays in the NY area.

Limit the number of seats per plane to a minimum of 100 going into LGA, JFK and EWR and the NE corridor will see delays significantly improve.

Another example was when Virgin America started out. I can remember sitting in line for 2 hours at JFK and Redwood taxis by. By allowing new entrants into the busiest airports at the busiest time of the day is just adding fuel to the fire for ATC delays.

Originally Posted by Ziggy

I agree with you. But I don't see how limiting new certificates will affect these problems. Each of these issues need to be address by all agencies, FAA, NTSB, labor unions, and congress if this truely gets out of hand.
In fact, certificates should not be sold. If carriers go under or just plan want to shut down, the certificate should be sent back to the FAA and shredded.

Certain items need to be and should be outsourced within reason. Heavy mx checks, Flight sims, and etc are all items that can be effectively outsourced to qualified facilities. Of course my preference would be those outsourcing facilities be located within the U.S. and employ U.S. workers.
The name of the game is capitalism, it only works when the field is in balance. Any unbalance prevents true capitalism from working.

Originally Posted by Ziggy

This can be address not by limiting new entrants. But placing limits on what types of aircraft can operate out of high density airports. Maybe a 200 seat minimum of JFK?

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Maybe a 200 seat minimum of JFK?

Originally Posted by Boomer

How would a guy from Allentown, Burlington or Syracuse get anywhere on Delta?

He'd have to wait at ABE, BTV or SYR for 199 other passengers, or drive 4 hours to JFK.

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Good question, and further thought is needed. Perhaps allowing those cities within an X radius to operate flights into JFK. But none of this D.C. to JFK on an RJ.

Originally Posted by Boomer

Agreed 100%. No reason JFK-ORD, JFK-DFW, JFK-MCI, JFK-MSP, or JFK-IAH needs to be a CRJ.

Originally Posted by dosbo

I never said new certificates shouldn't be issued just one certificate per operator and paint job. Any new entrants should have to apply for and be issued a brand new certificate based on thier ability to operate an airline independently.