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YAKflyer 12-10-2009 03:19 AM
Originally Posted by Iflyforcash (Post 724222)
Let's not blame the Aer lingus or UAL groups, blame it on ALPA and our wonderful goverment for allowing this to happen, and remember some furlough UAL pilot work for GO jets.

I'm just saying.
Yeah.....like it was ALPA's idea for this to happen. ALPA may not be effective, but I find it incredible how many folks blame ALPA for the greed of managements. Maybe if the members of this industry would show a little more solidarity ALPA would be more effective. ALPA is a tool and it is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

captjns 12-10-2009 05:35 AM
Originally Posted by Dicecal (Post 723920)
Pretty ignorant statement. If this gets off the ground, it could expand into other markets. Also a template for others to try.
Defense relating to your counter would be most appreciated. Although the second part of your thoughts contradicts your first part as it shows fear and apprehension in your keystrokes..

Tell me Dicecal… why do manufacturers, globally, outsource work overseas??? You can’t honestly think it was to spend more money and cut down on their profit margins… do you?

So tell me Dicecal… If it works for manufacturers why wouldn’t businesses within transportation sector follow the same concept? To think that the board of directors have your interest at heart is quite naďve… wouldn’t you aggree?

captjns 12-10-2009 05:37 AM
Originally Posted by flyinaway411 (Post 723810)
seriously?!?!?! how does this help the industry?
Am I missing something here flyinaway? Did not see an answer to my question in your post. I was hoping for a response to my post requestiing accurate information concerning this new venture... which you did not provide... I guess.

captjns 12-10-2009 05:41 AM
Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 724192)
What will be interesting is where the Captains are coming from. EI may have a few willing to go to this operation but that is taking a big chance unless they are on a leave of absence from EI to do so. And if current EI Captains take the job that sets a precedent for UAL pilots to go as well.
Highly doubtful... with the terms and conditions for their current long haul pilots. Their pay and benefits are pretty decent. Their narrow body pilots are makeing pretty good money too.

captjns 12-10-2009 05:46 AM
Originally Posted by Iflyforcash (Post 724222)
Let's not blame the Aer lingus or UAL groups, blame it on ALPA and our wonderful goverment for allowing this to happen, and remember some furlough UAL pilot work for GO jets.

I'm just saying.
Let's not leave IALPA out of the mix either.

Fritzthepilot 12-10-2009 05:47 AM
Originally Posted by captjns (Post 724290)
Am I missing something here flyinaway? Did not see an answer to my question in your post. I was hoping for a response to my post requestiing accurate information concerning this new venture... which you did not provide... I guess.
They want you to be airport operations within an hour. Base the benefits, or lack there of, on that statement alone. Have you ever been to Dulles? To be in ops in an hour pretty much requires you to live 15 min from the airport.

Are you seriously interested in an operation like this?

captjns 12-10-2009 06:02 AM
Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 724297)
They want you to be airport operations within an hour. Base the benefits, or lack there of, on that statement alone. Have you ever been to Dulles? To be in ops in an hour pretty much requires you to live 15 min from the airport.

Are you seriously interested in an operation like this?
Me personally??? not a prayer. I’m happy that I’m not flying with any dysfunctional airline in the US. Some of my expat colleagues would like to go home and try to recapture some type of quality of life at home again. They are interested particularly in the pay and benefits side of the contract.

I've flown out of Dulles. Luckely we overnighted at the Marriott on the airport property. Have they completed their tram project yet? How about security... any improvement?

Fritzthepilot 12-10-2009 06:14 AM
Originally Posted by captjns (Post 724311)
Me personally??? not a prayer. I’m happy that I’m not flying with any dysfunctional airline in the US. Some of my expat colleagues would like to go home and try to recapture some type of quality of life at home again. They are interested particularly in the pay and benefits side of the contract.

I've flown out of Dulles. Luckely we overnighted at the Marriott on the airport property. Have they completed their tram project yet? How about security... any improvement?
"Quality of Life at Home"?

In all seriousness, i'm not even going to glorify the lipstick on the pig. Please inform YOUR expat friends that UAL Alpa has a grievance filed against this JV.

Need I say more?

captjns 12-10-2009 06:16 AM
Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot (Post 724315)
"Quality of Life at Home"?

In all seriousness, i'm not even going to glorify the lipstick on this pig. Please inform YOUR expat friends that UAL Alpa has a grievance filed against this JV.

Need I say more?
That be a 10-4 good buddy.

gettinbumped 12-10-2009 07:53 AM
Originally Posted by fireman0174 (Post 724211)
Well, I certainly wouldn't use that description! :(

No, I'm referring to the MEC that was so afraid of the bankruptcy judge that they were willing to agree to something without looking at its long term potential and that is about to really bite their buns in a big way. The IAD-MAD segment is but the first of what I feel will be more.

Forrest Gump was right.
At the time of the BK agreement, which I've been living in misery under for the past 6 years, this operation wasn't possible. You can thank the previous administration for the "Open Skies" that allows this to happen.

I hope these guys don't expect a jumpseat.


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