Dedicated DAL/ALK Discussion Anyone?
01-08-2010, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by captfred
Gee whiz USAPA has been saying for 2 years now that DOH is the "gold standard" for seniority integration. Could it be that the U S Airways (east) pilots are wrong?
That argument hasn't had much success lately. The only large integration where it was used with fairly different airlines that I can think of is NW/Republic. Some of my "North" colleagues are sensitive when I call that arbitration a failure, but let's simply say it took over 20 arbitraion heraings over the years to try to actually use that award.
Great job security.
For arbitrators.
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01-09-2010, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by captfred
Gee whiz USAPA has been saying for 2 years now that DOH is the "gold standard" for seniority integration. Could it be that the U S Airways (east) pilots are wrong?
01-09-2010, 04:52 AM
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I think discussing DAL/ ALK merger integration is counterproductive. Rather than fostering a mutual understanding of the issues, it highlights the differences in expectations. It also proves a voice for the more extreme positions, trying to justify what is frequently little more than self-interest.
The more extreme positions seem to be noticed most by the other side, and the result is greater polarization. Meanwhile, the most moderate 90% remain silent. The end result is little more than ill will toward the other side.
Meanwhile, the decision will go to an arbitrator, who will combine the lists by a ratio within each class of aircraft.
I bowed out of the DAL/ NWA discussion, and I'll pass on this one, too.
The more extreme positions seem to be noticed most by the other side, and the result is greater polarization. Meanwhile, the most moderate 90% remain silent. The end result is little more than ill will toward the other side.
Meanwhile, the decision will go to an arbitrator, who will combine the lists by a ratio within each class of aircraft.
I bowed out of the DAL/ NWA discussion, and I'll pass on this one, too.
01-09-2010, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
I think discussing DAL/ ALK merger integration is counterproductive. Rather than fostering a mutual understanding of the issues, it highlights the differences in expectations. It also proves a voice for the more extreme positions, trying to justify what is frequently little more than self-interest.
The more extreme positions seem to be noticed most by the other side, and the result is greater polarization. Meanwhile, the most moderate 90% remain silent. The end result is little more than ill will toward the other side.
Meanwhile, the decision will go to an arbitrator, who will combine the lists by a ratio within each class of aircraft.
I bowed out of the DAL/ NWA discussion, and I'll pass on this one, too.
The more extreme positions seem to be noticed most by the other side, and the result is greater polarization. Meanwhile, the most moderate 90% remain silent. The end result is little more than ill will toward the other side.
Meanwhile, the decision will go to an arbitrator, who will combine the lists by a ratio within each class of aircraft.
I bowed out of the DAL/ NWA discussion, and I'll pass on this one, too.
To the extent the discussion is already occuring in several threads, I think it's smart to have a better venue than the "Latest and Greatest". That doesn't mean this topic can't be idle for a while. Sometimes, things are just quiet, and it's OK. If anything interesting comes along, it was my suggestion it be discussed in a common thread, not a Delta thread.
01-09-2010, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
I can't think of any other pilot group that thinks that DOH is a valid method. They're wasting their time and money on their current quest for a mulligan. I'm glad Delta didn't merge with those guys; I'd hate to be going through what the America West guys are going through now.
01-09-2010, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
Meanwhile, the most moderate 90% remain silent.
This web board is pretty good at revealing issues and IMHO actually creates unity as we consider opposing viewpoints and moderate our own positions.
I think Alaska brings a lot to the table and if nothing else, mergers help close scope loopholes.
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