How about we elect one person to the collect and organize the ideas (with pros and cons) into one living document so that when the time comes around for input from the troops, that person can just send over the document?

I nominate ACL! Seconds?????

 

Only if it doesn't interfere with his soothsayer duties!

 

You are not quite understanding just what the contract says, though you are mostly correct.

IF on the first day of on-call days, the company is going to give you a trip with a report before 1200, or a short call starting before 1000, then they MUST put that assignment NLT 1500 on your last on call day. If they do not, then you just assume long call at midnight.

Your only requirement is to acknowledge the trip NLT 3 hrs prior to report, or a SC NLT 1 hour prior to start of SC.

Of course, if you are smart, sometime in the afternoon (but no earlier than 1500) you should check for any trip/SC assignment--makes things easier all around. Wouldn't you rather find out about an early report or early SC the prior afternoon, rather than oh-dark-thirty? But in our example here, PilotFrog did not do so (as I read it; correct me if I am wrong) so scheduling made a "courtesy" call at 0400 to remind him of his 0500 SC, since he did not check NLT 0200--they did not have to do that, as they had already had legally assigned the short call the previous day before 1500. Frog, by making that courtesy call, they actually helped you AVOID violating your responsibilities under the contract! Don't be "mad" at scheduling for calling you at 0400--be mad at yourself for not checking your schedule NLT 0200--which the contract mandates.

Contract compliance is a two-way street folks. It's not just scheduling that makes mistakes. It is IMPERATIVE that you understand what our contract says and requires. This reserve system takes a couple of months to wrap your brain around. Once you get a good feel for it, you will find it very intuitive and a good system--short call and lack-of-seniority discussions notwithstanding.

 

Oh I certainly hope I didn't come across as being mad at scheduling. I wasn't happy to get the call at 4 am, just didn't understand why. It has been clarified and I now understand. Course the answer was in my flight kit by the door, but i'm Lazy sometimes. Thanks again all.

 

How about when you get done with a trip? Right after trip you check your schedule and they have nothing for you, so as I understand it you go to long call (if no trip or SC assigned). Do you now get 12hrs rest or something like this? When are you required to answer your phone again?

 

You don't get any specific rest (except for certain, limited circumstances), you simply go back on long call, with a 12 hour notice for any upcoming trip.

You only have to check your schedule (or turn on your phone for a message) every 9 hours - but then you might only be giving yourself 3 hours to report. You only have to acknowledge a trip 3 hours prior to report, 1 hour prior to SC or 6 hours after a rest period has started.

Many Delta pilots I know don't answer the phone, ever. They let it go to voice mail, then see what the call is about. You can acknowledge via the VRU or online.

 

thats what I figured!!

 

Next topic....

Who wants to explain the differences b/t IA and GS? Also, how these differ b/t line holders and reserves?

 

Opie-
A thorough answer would be pretty long.
Do you have a copy of the contract and When Scheduling Calls?

 

Yes, both....unfortunately they are written in what appears to be Mandarin Chinese.

I have a very basic understanding of them, just having trouble seeing how they really differ.