NE Weather Cancelations
#21
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: FO
Posts: 3,033
Most of it has to do with the airlines don't want the PR of people sleeping in airports for days or stranded on airplanes for hours. In addition it really isn't safe for people to be trying to get to the airport in these conditions, with the flights canceled hopefully people will stay home or at work and not get involved into multi-car pileups or stranded on the side of the road.
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#22
Since when is the METAR / TAF below, reason enough to cancel all flights for the entire day? I am not trying to be a hero here but just got a call telling me that ALL flights to JFK is cancelled for Feb 10, 2010., for a certain airline. Is this reason enough? Can an airline just do this? I don't know the answer so I am asking in good faith, it just seem unreasonable to me that the weather channel has this much influence. The ramp time rule has been discussed on another thread so please don't take that discussion up again here. I am simply wondering if there are some form of rules for when an airline can do this.
METAR:KJFK 100551Z 00000KT 2SM R04R/5500VP6000FT -SN BR BKN009 OVC041 00/M02 A2976 TAF:KJFK 100525Z 1006/1112 VRB06KT 1SM -SN BR OVC005
FM100800 07010KT 3/4SM -SN BR OVC005
FM101200 05015G25KT 1/2SM SNPL FG OVC003
FM101500 03018G30KT 1/2SM SN FG OVC003
FM102100 36022G32KT 1SM -SN BR OVC005
FM110200 34024G35KT 2SM -SN BR SCT007 BKN014
FM110600 33022G30KT P6SM SCT025 BKN060
METAR:KJFK 100551Z 00000KT 2SM R04R/5500VP6000FT -SN BR BKN009 OVC041 00/M02 A2976 TAF:KJFK 100525Z 1006/1112 VRB06KT 1SM -SN BR OVC005
FM100800 07010KT 3/4SM -SN BR OVC005
FM101200 05015G25KT 1/2SM SNPL FG OVC003
FM101500 03018G30KT 1/2SM SN FG OVC003
FM102100 36022G32KT 1SM -SN BR OVC005
FM110200 34024G35KT 2SM -SN BR SCT007 BKN014
FM110600 33022G30KT P6SM SCT025 BKN060
Equally important, can the airport staff and crews make it to the airports? Finally, there is the common sense approach. Many of the cities / counties are under states of emergency. Only necessary emergency personnel are allowed to be on the highways right now.
Before the storm hit, I had 12-16 inches of snow on the ground from last weeks snowstorm. Last night, 6-8 inches fell. As of today, another 12 inches of snow has fallen, there are blizzard conditions, and it is supposed to continue into the evening hours. Also, PA just closed four interstates in my local area.
And make no mistake, this has never happened in history! The Mid Atlantic season snowfall records have all been shattered. We've never had, in the previous 126 years of weather record keeping, 3 major snowstorm events.
Considering what's happening here, I think it is pretty darn smart for said company to advance cancel flights. It keeps the crews and airplanes in position for a quick recovery. It also means that your staff, passengers, and aircraft remain safe. Thank God for companies making the right decisions.
#23
Probably because this is what is going on there, right now:
KJFK 101951Z 03024G36KT 1/4SM R04R/2000V2800FT SN BLSN FZFG VV005 00/M01 A2902 RMK AO2 PK WND 03036/1951 SFC VIS 1/2 SLP825 SNINCR 2/6 P0003 T00001011
KJFK 101855Z 1019/1124 04022G31KT 1SM -SN BR OVC012
TEMPO 1019/1020 1/2SM -SN BLSN FZFG VV007
FM102000 02020G30KT 1SM -SN BR OVC007
TEMPO 1020/1024 1/2SM SN BLSN FZFG OVC004
FM110000 35025G35KT 1SM -SN BR OVC007
TEMPO 1100/1104 1/4SM +SN BLSN FZFG VV003
FM110500 32022G32KT P6SM SCT010 OVC025
TEMPO 1105/1107 3SM BLSN
FM110700 32020G31KT P6SM BKN040 OVC080
TEMPO 1107/1111 3SM BLSN
FM111100 32018G28KT P6SM BKN150
FM111500 32015G23KT P6SM SCT025
Lots of people connect in JFK from international flights - there wouldn't be hotel rooms for everyone if they kept trying to run the operation. Smart choice, in my opinion.
KJFK 101951Z 03024G36KT 1/4SM R04R/2000V2800FT SN BLSN FZFG VV005 00/M01 A2902 RMK AO2 PK WND 03036/1951 SFC VIS 1/2 SLP825 SNINCR 2/6 P0003 T00001011
KJFK 101855Z 1019/1124 04022G31KT 1SM -SN BR OVC012
TEMPO 1019/1020 1/2SM -SN BLSN FZFG VV007
FM102000 02020G30KT 1SM -SN BR OVC007
TEMPO 1020/1024 1/2SM SN BLSN FZFG OVC004
FM110000 35025G35KT 1SM -SN BR OVC007
TEMPO 1100/1104 1/4SM +SN BLSN FZFG VV003
FM110500 32022G32KT P6SM SCT010 OVC025
TEMPO 1105/1107 3SM BLSN
FM110700 32020G31KT P6SM BKN040 OVC080
TEMPO 1107/1111 3SM BLSN
FM111100 32018G28KT P6SM BKN150
FM111500 32015G23KT P6SM SCT025
Lots of people connect in JFK from international flights - there wouldn't be hotel rooms for everyone if they kept trying to run the operation. Smart choice, in my opinion.
#25
Think you might have jumped to a conclusion here. I was simply asking if somebody knew if there was a rule or a regulation for this kind of weather / operation. I am not condoning their decision, safety comes first. However, I did fly in to JFK today and other than a windy ILS app, deicing before leaving, the operation was easier than a normal day at JFK due to no aircrafts in line anywhere.
#26
Seems Logical to Me
Since when is the METAR / TAF below, reason enough to cancel all flights for the entire day? I am not trying to be a hero here but just got a call telling me that ALL flights to JFK is cancelled for Feb 10, 2010., for a certain airline. Is this reason enough? Can an airline just do this? I don't know the answer so I am asking in good faith, it just seem unreasonable to me that the weather channel has this much influence.
The weather channel doesn't have any influence in an airlines decision to cancel flights despite the fact that they think they are the "all knowing, omnipotent power from on high". Sorry Jim Cantore...not your call.
While we're on the Weather Channel, they like to tell the uninformed that ABC airport is "closed" because of the storm. In 99.9% of the cases, runways may be closed for plowing and/or flight operations may be suspended but the airport, in reality, is not "closed". Just a pet peeve.
Stay warm if you're in D.C., PA or the Northeast.
G'Luck shoveling, Mates
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: retired
Posts: 560
Since when is the METAR / TAF below, reason enough to cancel all flights for the entire day? I am not trying to be a hero here but just got a call telling me that ALL flights to JFK is cancelled for Feb 10, 2010., for a certain airline. Is this reason enough? Can an airline just do this? I don't know the answer so I am asking in good faith, it just seem unreasonable to me that the weather channel has this much influence. The ramp time rule has been discussed on another thread so please don't take that discussion up again here. I am simply wondering if there are some form of rules for when an airline can do this.
METAR:KJFK 100551Z 00000KT 2SM R04R/5500VP6000FT -SN BR BKN009 OVC041 00/M02 A2976 TAF:KJFK 100525Z 1006/1112 VRB06KT 1SM -SN BR OVC005
FM100800 07010KT 3/4SM -SN BR OVC005
FM101200 05015G25KT 1/2SM SNPL FG OVC003
FM101500 03018G30KT 1/2SM SN FG OVC003
FM102100 36022G32KT 1SM -SN BR OVC005
FM110200 34024G35KT 2SM -SN BR SCT007 BKN014
FM110600 33022G30KT P6SM SCT025 BKN060
METAR:KJFK 100551Z 00000KT 2SM R04R/5500VP6000FT -SN BR BKN009 OVC041 00/M02 A2976 TAF:KJFK 100525Z 1006/1112 VRB06KT 1SM -SN BR OVC005
FM100800 07010KT 3/4SM -SN BR OVC005
FM101200 05015G25KT 1/2SM SNPL FG OVC003
FM101500 03018G30KT 1/2SM SN FG OVC003
FM102100 36022G32KT 1SM -SN BR OVC005
FM110200 34024G35KT 2SM -SN BR SCT007 BKN014
FM110600 33022G30KT P6SM SCT025 BKN060
#28
Really KC ?
Think you might have jumped to a conclusion here. I was simply asking if somebody knew if there was a rule or a regulation for this kind of weather / operation. I am not condoning their decision, safety comes first. However, I did fly in to JFK today and other than a windy ILS app, deicing before leaving, the operation was easier than a normal day at JFK due to no aircrafts in line anywhere.
Think you might have jumped to a conclusion here. I was simply asking if somebody knew if there was a rule or a regulation for this kind of weather / operation. I am not condoning their decision, safety comes first. However, I did fly in to JFK today and other than a windy ILS app, deicing before leaving, the operation was easier than a normal day at JFK due to no aircrafts in line anywhere.
If anyone cares, I've been measuring a consistent 29 inches of snow in my yard ... and we have 3-4 feet snow drifts.
#29
No whining just hungry for more knowledge and a better understanding.. 29 inches and 3-4 foot drifters.... WOW... sounds like a good time if you have all the right gear and the power is still on. Hope you're safe and well.
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