AA, AE merger
02-21-2010 | 10:53 AM
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Your friend has jumped the gun a little.
It is unclear if pilots can be forced out of their jobs at Eagle despite the resolutions passed by ALPA and AMR Eagle. An arbitrator would have to uphold that and technically it's a new interpretation of the agreement that would seem to require all 4 parties.
It is unclear if pilots can be forced out of their jobs at Eagle despite the resolutions passed by ALPA and AMR Eagle. An arbitrator would have to uphold that and technically it's a new interpretation of the agreement that would seem to require all 4 parties.
The irony here is you are doing to those pilots what you claim ALPA has been doing to you for years. If you can't beat them, join them, huh?
02-21-2010 | 11:38 AM
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02-21-2010 | 12:44 PM
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Maybe he did jump the gun, but he seemed pretty confident that your union was going to force those pilots to leave and create several hundred vacancies. Mixed with the new CRJ's and pilots quitting as the economy improved added up to a thousand new hires.
What would their objection do with Eagle and your union forcing out pilots as part of the agreement?
The irony here is you are doing to those pilots what you claim ALPA has been doing to you for years. If you can't beat them, join them, huh?
What would their objection do with Eagle and your union forcing out pilots as part of the agreement?
The irony here is you are doing to those pilots what you claim ALPA has been doing to you for years. If you can't beat them, join them, huh?
02-21-2010 | 12:47 PM
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Another benefit to the single carrier petition would be that if we merge the lists in the future we wouldn't be bound by the new law Congress pass concerning mergers. As it stands now with separate unions we would not be in a good position on a merged list because of the new law. I do believe thought the current thought of a master lists bypasses that problem. I guess if I was an Eagle pilot I probably would be wondering who the MEC is representing in this endeavors.
02-21-2010 | 04:47 PM
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Just Finished 737 School, the APA ORD Chair went through at the same time. He reported that AE ALPA approached APA and said "staple us to your list".
WHY? YOU ASK??? (which is what I said)
You can make fun of APA all day long about their contract proposals asking for a 50% pay increase, lower monthly max, etc, etc. But I'll tell you this: every AAL pilot will defend scope to the bitter end. Yes AE has 22 more CRJ's coming, for a total of 72 70 seater's. But we own EVERYTHING ELSE above 50 seats. What if APA signed a sweetheart deal with AMR to fly everything over 50 seats? What would happen to AE? The 50 seat market is dying.
Several weeks ago it was reported that chief pilots were roaming the terminals canvasing the pilot group and soliciting opinions about flying 100 seat jets and what we'd be willing to earn flying them. The writing is on the wall, AE was on the sale block once, it could easily go there again.
I'm not making any predictions, but there is more than one source for this rumor.
WHY? YOU ASK??? (which is what I said)
You can make fun of APA all day long about their contract proposals asking for a 50% pay increase, lower monthly max, etc, etc. But I'll tell you this: every AAL pilot will defend scope to the bitter end. Yes AE has 22 more CRJ's coming, for a total of 72 70 seater's. But we own EVERYTHING ELSE above 50 seats. What if APA signed a sweetheart deal with AMR to fly everything over 50 seats? What would happen to AE? The 50 seat market is dying.
Several weeks ago it was reported that chief pilots were roaming the terminals canvasing the pilot group and soliciting opinions about flying 100 seat jets and what we'd be willing to earn flying them. The writing is on the wall, AE was on the sale block once, it could easily go there again.
I'm not making any predictions, but there is more than one source for this rumor.
02-21-2010 | 04:57 PM
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It doesn't really matter what the pay scale for an RJ or ATR at AA would be.
Because the RJ or ATR would be at AA!
Imagine NOT having to start over after a 5-15 year 'career' at a regional. Imagine all flying being recaptured at a mainline. It puts the scope genie back in the bottle. Its worth going back to the gawd forsaken B scale to undo that mess.
Staple, fence off the AE Capt seats, (one AE capt goes to a MD FO seat, one AA FO can go to an AE Capt seat), and who's not happy?
Because the RJ or ATR would be at AA!
Imagine NOT having to start over after a 5-15 year 'career' at a regional. Imagine all flying being recaptured at a mainline. It puts the scope genie back in the bottle. Its worth going back to the gawd forsaken B scale to undo that mess.
Staple, fence off the AE Capt seats, (one AE capt goes to a MD FO seat, one AA FO can go to an AE Capt seat), and who's not happy?
02-21-2010 | 05:05 PM
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They are welcome to fly the RJ, but I heard that checkride's a B****
Quite a few mainliners and T-6ers had some trouble, just as many CFII's with 1000 hrs had. Pay commensurate with experience brother.
02-21-2010 | 05:19 PM
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I am sure that is probably what you meant.
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