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02-19-2010 | 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyHighHobo

I heard AMR is in talks with Lynx. Rumor has it that Eagle's ATR's are pretty long in the tooth, and a turn key Q400 fleet gives AMR a fresh fleet update. APA supposedly has not objected to this on an airframe for airframe swap. And, Lynx pilots stay with the aircraft. It will be operated on a capacity purchase agreement with republic. AMR gets a turn key -staffed- fleet to grow up to the number of ATR's on the property!
Don't shoot the messenger!!!

What ever dude. Don't even start that Q400 crap.

02-19-2010 | 06:49 AM

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I have 10 years of airline experience, should I join the ANG and automatically be a Major or Lt. Col. as a plane commander?

No, but if you go in as a Lt and fly and F-16, A-10, F-15...you'll always be an aircraft commander.

C'mon guys, let's not start the mil vs. civ flame

02-19-2010 | 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by buddies8

For your info, the lawsuits will happen. There is no way AMR is going to get away from it. Flow through, majority do not want to exercise their right to go. If AE/AMR forces or terminates anyone of them the suits will begin and they will draw APA and AA into it. So if they want to do the PAN AM style, which was discussed 12 years ago but APA balked at it, then just do it. The law suits will be if anyone of the flow throughs are forced or terminated.

Actually, it is in APA benefit that the flow throughs do not flow, using Hard ship as an exuse. A hardship, based on a base transfer inplies that you are transfering within the company. That would be APA's golden ticket to file for a single carrier motion. Its never been a posibility, since AMR states we are to seperate companies under the same holding corp. But a base transfer hardship implies transfering within the same company. Also if the do not flow and stay at AE, APA doesnt need to recind their APA membership number. Now you would have APA guys flying AE equipment. Another basis for Single carrier petition.

02-19-2010 | 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ERJF15

No, but if you go in as a Lt and fly and F-16, A-10, F-15...you'll always be an aircraft commander.

C'mon guys, let's not start the mil vs. civ flame

If that's the case then a military pilot should have no more expectations when taking an airline job than any other applicant.

02-19-2010 | 09:50 AM

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Why would AA/AE merge? AE already controls there domestic flying. Where do you think the flying is coming from for the 22 new CRJ's? Maintain that scope
APA. If, 100 seaters come to the AMR property. Who do you think will fly them?

A newly created entity, as has been the case wherever the big e-jets have shown up in UAL, NWA and DAL colors. Unless you consider jetblue and usairways mainline of course, then they will be mainline aircraft.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...R5cGU9MQ==&t=1

Help me out here. On page 9 it shows Eagle would have to be at least 15 or more times bigger to be equal to AA mainline. No?

Just trying to understand how you came up with that AE controls domestic thing.

02-19-2010 | 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyHighHobo

Just trying to understand how you came up with that AE controls domestic thing.

Yea, thats far from the truth. Eagle flies 7% of the Available Seat Miles(ASMs) that AA does. That number included AA Int'l stuff, so when you drop that and compared AA DOT Domestic vs Eagle it comes out to about 12%.

02-19-2010 | 10:29 AM

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Never happen. Eagle has an arbitrator defined scope clause that would prevent that. The real question will be if AMR uses connection in ORD and how long till an arbitrators stops it. I haven't heard anything in while but there was talk of going to federal court to enforce the previous ruling. If they can't do that then it will go the grievance route.
One has to wonder after the Buffalo incident whether any large carrier will farm out to a non-owned feeder. I would also think the carriers are concerned about building up a future competitor like Republic.

02-19-2010 | 10:35 AM

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Ummmmmmmmmmmm....... how about the military guy who now needs to fly a ATR/ERJ for $21 bucks an hr. It would mean the end of military pilots at AA. With a large part of the AA list ex military, I don't see them allowing this to happen.

Under a dual company with a master list like PanAm you could have hiring at both companies at the same time. My only dislike to this system is have a Eagle guy go to AA and start over on pay. Maybe when the stars align they will have a starting pay that is reasonable. I am sure the company likes the extra incentive to prevent an Eagle guy staying too long and then moving to AA at a higher pay compared to other companies that might not have the same system in place.

02-19-2010 | 11:16 AM

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Aa/ae

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Originally Posted by Flyby1206

Look back over the last 10 years and where the domestic flying went and will go in the future. I don't see AA doing it. I see AE doing the domestic flying with the 100 seat aircraft.

02-19-2010 | 11:37 AM

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Look back over the last 10 years and where the domestic flying went and will go in the future. I don't see AA doing it. I see AE doing the domestic flying with the 100 seat aircraft.

So, because APA made a bad strategic decision in the 1997 contract, they are compelled to continue that trend, despite compelling evidence that it is not in their membership's best interest?