AA, AE merger
02-18-2010 | 09:15 PM
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It doesn't really matter what the pay scale for an RJ or ATR at AA would be.
Because the RJ or ATR would be at AA!
Imagine NOT having to start over after a 5-15 year 'career' at a regional. Imagine all flying being recaptured at a mainline. It puts the scope genie back in the bottle. Its worth going back to the gawd forsaken B scale to undo that mess.
Staple, fence off the AE Capt seats, (one AE capt goes to a MD FO seat, one AA FO can go to an AE Capt seat), and who's not happy?
Because the RJ or ATR would be at AA!
Imagine NOT having to start over after a 5-15 year 'career' at a regional. Imagine all flying being recaptured at a mainline. It puts the scope genie back in the bottle. Its worth going back to the gawd forsaken B scale to undo that mess.
Staple, fence off the AE Capt seats, (one AE capt goes to a MD FO seat, one AA FO can go to an AE Capt seat), and who's not happy?
02-18-2010 | 09:22 PM
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These rumors are from the proposal for a PanAm style master list. The plan is to staple AA on the bottom of AE's list and then staple AE on the bottom of AA's list. The pay scale change on transfer is to alleviate AMR's concern on cost. The scope clause would be adjusted to give AMR more flexibility, but it wouldn't open the flood gates on the RJ's. The reason to adjust the scope would be to entice AMR to sign off on the proposal. I have also heard that this will not happen till the flow throughs move to AA because of the lawsuit liability and obvious seniority issues. I think this is a smart way to get rid of the infighting and scope issues and I will support the proposal.
02-18-2010 | 11:28 PM
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02-19-2010 | 12:43 AM
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Aa/ae
For your info, the lawsuits will happen. There is no way AMR is going to get away from it. Flow through, majority do not want to exercise their right to go. If AE/AMR forces or terminates anyone of them the suits will begin and they will draw APA and AA into it. So if they want to do the PAN AM style, which was discussed 12 years ago but APA balked at it, then just do it. The law suits will be if anyone of the flow throughs are forced or terminated.
to flow? Someone answer this. What happens to the 2000 pilots on furlough at AA if there was a merger? Look at the LLC. fences at AA now and see if that will work for ya. Who will be protected? Not the FO's at AE. Can you say,
furlough fodder.
02-19-2010 | 03:49 AM
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Hi!
TONS of mil guys are ALREADY going to straight to the regionals, for years, as there has not been many major jobs lately!
cliff
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PS-I know a LOT of mil guys that went to Mesa, as that was their best option at the time.
TONS of mil guys are ALREADY going to straight to the regionals, for years, as there has not been many major jobs lately!
cliff
NBO
PS-I know a LOT of mil guys that went to Mesa, as that was their best option at the time.
02-19-2010 | 04:11 AM
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One of the main reasons for the screwed up system we have now is to accommodate the military pilots who felt it was below them to fly a turboprop.
Get over it. You're just not that special. The entry level position at every airline should have been right seat in an ATR or a RJ.
If you can't see what a future airline career is worth, then take a pass. This is America.
Get over it. You're just not that special. The entry level position at every airline should have been right seat in an ATR or a RJ.
If you can't see what a future airline career is worth, then take a pass. This is America.
02-19-2010 | 04:33 AM
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One of the main reasons for the screwed up system we have now is to accommodate the military pilots who felt it was below them to fly a turboprop.
Get over it. You're just not that special. The entry level position at every airline should have been right seat in an ATR or a RJ.
If you can't see what a future airline career is worth, then take a pass. This is America.
Get over it. You're just not that special. The entry level position at every airline should have been right seat in an ATR or a RJ.
If you can't see what a future airline career is worth, then take a pass. This is America.
The genie is out of the bottle; now what?
02-19-2010 | 05:30 AM
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I heard AMR is in talks with Lynx. Rumor has it that Eagle's ATR's are pretty long in the tooth, and a turn key Q400 fleet gives AMR a fresh fleet update. APA supposedly has not objected to this on an airframe for airframe swap. And, Lynx pilots stay with the aircraft. It will be operated on a capacity purchase agreement with republic. AMR gets a turn key -staffed- fleet to grow up to the number of ATR's on the property!
Don't shoot the messenger!!!
Don't shoot the messenger!!!
02-19-2010 | 05:52 AM
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Interesting, and would probably be smart from a mgmt standpoint. Has too many scope provision problems though. The contract carrier taking over hub flying at Eagle grievance would be extremely relevant here (and that's assuming you could get the APA to sign off on Q400s w/ significantly more seats than the ATRs). Who knows when that grievance will be resolved.
02-19-2010 | 06:28 AM
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I have 10 years of airline experience, should I join the ANG and automatically be a Major or Lt. Col. as a plane commander?
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