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02-27-2010 | 07:02 AM
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Johnson, I love ya brother. Yes these guys are idiots, and yes those are all problems with this industry, but none of the a fore mentioned solutions had anything to do with this accident. This accident was the direct result of a moron who should never have had a license and the FAA who allowed a child without enough experience to recognize his moronity.
Fatigue is low hanging fruit for grandstanding legislators and administrators. No one wants to tackle the real problem, unqualified and under qualified people flying passengers around.
Fatigue is low hanging fruit for grandstanding legislators and administrators. No one wants to tackle the real problem, unqualified and under qualified people flying passengers around.
02-27-2010 | 07:08 AM
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Johnson, I love ya brother. Yes these guys are idiots, and yes those are all problems with this industry, but none of the a fore mentioned solutions had anything to do with this accident. This accident was the direct result of a moron who should never have had a license and the FAA who allowed a child without enough experience to recognize his moronity.
Fatigue is low hanging fruit for grandstanding legislators and administrators. No one wants to tackle the real problem, unqualified and under qualified people flying passengers around.
Fatigue is low hanging fruit for grandstanding legislators and administrators. No one wants to tackle the real problem, unqualified and under qualified people flying passengers around.
02-27-2010 | 07:08 AM
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I agree. I personally think we should go to PS to the first point of departure. Heck with PBS they can build with great efficiency schedules that would work for every pilot to live wherever they want. There would be a cost to that. Just making commuting or the lack there of law, is a lot cheaper. See above post.
ALPA is missing a golden opportunity here by not trumpeting the lack of ATP qualifications for regional carriers junior FO positions. Yes, there has been some movement towards that but that bill is not garnering the press that the fatigue issue is. ACL is right, it's the low cost solution. ALPA should be out there every day shouting Safety, like Freedom, is not Free!
02-27-2010 | 07:18 AM
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02-27-2010 | 07:33 AM
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Like it or not, the unions have some (small amount) culpability in this too. Instead of calling a spade a spade and recognizing human pilot error was at fault, unions try to protect the obviously stupid among us. We should protect the innocent and protect our rights to due process but when all is said and done we have to recognize that some of us make mistakes.
ALPA is missing a golden opportunity here by not trumpeting the lack of ATP qualifications for regional carriers junior FO positions. Yes, there has been some movement towards that but that bill is not garnering the press that the fatigue issue is. ACL is right, it's the low cost solution. ALPA should be out there every day shouting Safety, like Freedom, is not Free!
ALPA is missing a golden opportunity here by not trumpeting the lack of ATP qualifications for regional carriers junior FO positions. Yes, there has been some movement towards that but that bill is not garnering the press that the fatigue issue is. ACL is right, it's the low cost solution. ALPA should be out there every day shouting Safety, like Freedom, is not Free!
I agree, and I have know it is ugly, but safety should not be off limits. There are ways to use safety as a marketing tool. Colgan is ALPA and Renslow is an ALPA pilot. They are protecting their pilot.
I have more to say but I will leave it at that.
02-27-2010 | 07:34 AM
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I have not looked at that. I think they are looking at the last 24 hrs. She had no rest (real rest) prior to that. Skiing, commuting, sitting, flying......
02-27-2010 | 07:41 AM
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You know that movie Bedazzled, where Brendan Frazier makes wishes with the best of intentions, and somehow the worst happens? I would love to see this pass, and then everyone grow enough stones to just quit. I find it funny when the person with the power comes crawling back looking for help. Then we have the upper hand in negotiations.
Yes, I am aware of the RLA, but I do not care anymore.
Yes, I am aware of the RLA, but I do not care anymore.
02-27-2010 | 07:49 AM
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You know that movie Bedazzled, where Brendan Frazier makes wishes with the best of intentions, and somehow the worst happens? I would love to see this pass, and then everyone grow enough stones to just quit. I find it funny when the person with the power comes crawling back looking for help. Then we have the upper hand in negotiations.
Yes, I am aware of the RLA, but I do not care anymore.
Yes, I am aware of the RLA, but I do not care anymore.
02-27-2010 | 07:50 AM
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These morons infuriate me! Changing our commuting rules will do nothing. How about they go after the real roots of the problem. Like PAY, no work rules, no rest rules, poor training, and the JACKWHOLE CEO's who cut massive corners to maximize their bonuses off the backs of their workers.
These IDIOTS don't even know what's going on with the industry, but they want to regulate it? Oh, no wait. They don't want to regulate it, it's a de-regulated industry to better the consumer. But wait, they want to tell us how to do everything, so it's regulated.
IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These IDIOTS don't even know what's going on with the industry, but they want to regulate it? Oh, no wait. They don't want to regulate it, it's a de-regulated industry to better the consumer. But wait, they want to tell us how to do everything, so it's regulated.
IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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