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Old 02-27-2010 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dosbo
What does the RLA have to do with quitting. Any one can quit, just give two weeks notice to be nice. Now if a large portion of the pilot group gave two weeks notice at once that might get someones attention.

True, anyone can quit. When everyone quits, that could be interpreted as an illegal work action.
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Old 02-27-2010 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
Johnson, I love ya brother. Yes these guys are idiots, and yes those are all problems with this industry, but none of the a fore mentioned solutions had anything to do with this accident. This accident was the direct result of a moron who should never have had a license and the FAA who allowed a child without enough experience to recognize his moronity.

Fatigue is low hanging fruit for grandstanding legislators and administrators. No one wants to tackle the real problem, unqualified and under qualified people flying passengers around.
Well said!!
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Old 02-27-2010 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by pokey9554
True, anyone can quit. When everyone quits, that could be interpreted as an illegal work action.
I disagree.

If I tender my resignation with no expectation of further work with a particular company I don't care how many others quit at the same time. Last I checked I still live in America and can choose who I work for and when I want to QUIT.

If the company chooses to make me a better offer then that is their choice, but I have no obligation to negotiate with them or accept it.

Quitting or Resigning is a permanent choice not a negotiation or work action.
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Old 02-27-2010 | 10:44 AM
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Part of the problem with the consumer is that they assign no value to our service.Therefore they will almost never pay more than the lowest price available. It is a means to an end. For the industry to change that NEEDS to change.
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Old 02-27-2010 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
These morons infuriate me! Changing our commuting rules will do nothing. How about they go after the real roots of the problem. Like PAY, no work rules, no rest rules, poor training, and the JACKWHOLE CEO's who cut massive corners to maximize their bonuses off the backs of their workers.

These IDIOTS don't even know what's going on with the industry, but they want to regulate it? Oh, no wait. They don't want to regulate it, it's a de-regulated industry to better the consumer. But wait, they want to tell us how to do everything, so it's regulated.


IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And then you have a CEO who claims his airline is the Walmart of the sky while newhire FO's qualify for food stamps, and that's flying an Airbus.

This will F up everything...
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Old 02-27-2010 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Part of the problem with the consumer is that they assign no value to our service.Therefore they will almost never pay more than the lowest price available. It is a means to an end. For the industry to change that NEEDS to change.
Won't happen in the old USofA. I want it all, now and cheap!!!
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Old 02-27-2010 | 10:58 AM
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Won't happen in the old USofA. I want it all, now and cheap!!!
All things are cyclical. It will change, but it may have to get a lot worse for that change to happen.

People need to realize that their own greed has caused a lot of problems for themselves. Quality costs. The reason the free market is working against so many people is their own greed. Cheap does not equate to good.
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Old 02-27-2010 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
All things are cyclical. It will change, but it may have to get a lot worse for that change to happen.

People need to realize that their own greed has caused a lot of problems for themselves. Quality costs. The reason the free market is working against so many people is their own greed. Cheap does not equate to good.
That pretty much nails it on the head.
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Old 02-27-2010 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TOGA LK
And then you have a CEO who claims his airline is the Walmart of the sky while newhire FO's qualify for food stamps, and that's flying an Airbus.

This will F up everything...
Morale my friend, is not my problem. There are plenty of pilots who will do your job for half your pay, and live in Chicago.

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Old 02-27-2010 | 12:05 PM
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The entire hearing is on the Senate web site. I was very surprised that the Senator brought up pay a number of times.
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