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Old 03-07-2010, 03:19 PM
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It is simply coming off as more talking down
no disrespect, but...

Would you feel the same way if you were sitting in the back with the Buffalo Colgan crew?
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Originally Posted by Baron50 View Post
no disrespect, but...

Would you feel the same way if you were sitting in the back with the Buffalo Colgan crew?
You would be dead...however if you were sitting in the back with the Continental Crew landing on Z at EWR, Delta landing on M in ATL, Continental in DEN, NW 150 mile excursion in Detroit, American in Little Rock you would be around to answer this question but, only because of good fortune, not because of good experience!

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Personally, I don't believe the question of experience is a major factor in discussing the Regional-Mainline divide.....
Personally, I do...and as a result I will not let my family ride on an RJ
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Arrogance can be deadly. Ask Captain Jacob Louis Veldhuyzen van Zanten.
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Arrogance can be deadly. Ask Captain Jacob Louis Veldhuyzen van Zanten.
Yes, the epitome of a highly experienced, mainline pilot!
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Old 03-07-2010, 05:13 PM
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Today, when a passenger buys a ticket on United Airlines, or, for that matter, on any of the major airlines, there is a 50 percent chance that the passenger will actually be flying on an aircraft operated by one of a group of subcontractor re gional airlines,
Really? I don't seem to recall too many RJ's running around in WN colors. Or perhaps Wendy doesn't consider WN a "major airline".
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Originally Posted by strfyr51 View Post
If it includes a Degree?? Then no MATTER if a few get hurt if it benefits the MANY. Maybe the Non-degreed guys could work in Flight ops or Flight Standards while getting their Degrees with a 40 month reprieve from losing ther Seniority Number.
And a degree makes you a better, safer pilot because why? How about a degree in Liberal Arts? That will make all the difference, huh? Don't tell me that it demonstrates that you can be committed to something, becoming a professional pilot alone demonstrates that. And, yes, I do have a degree.
A degree, thousands of hours, an ATP, being a former CFI or freight hauler does not make anyone a safe pilot, it makes them an experienced pilot. A safe pilot has experience, personal limitations, good judgement, a willingness to learn, humility, good communications skills, appropriate knowledge and a respect for crew, plane and Mother Nature.
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Arrogance can be deadly. Ask Captain Jacob Louis Veldhuyzen van Zanten.
Yes it can be, and I will never let my family fly on a 747 . . .
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Originally Posted by Baron50 View Post
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Would you feel the same way if you were sitting in the back with the Buffalo Colgan crew?
Recently while deadheading on a work assignment I had a professional pilot "miss the hump" on 23 in CLT and touch us down (slammed us to the ground after someone pushed it over) midfield instead of fessing up and going around. I figured we were about to be speared by a 757 taking off 18c but somehow at about 40 knots the captain managed to make the last exit before running off the end. Every piece of carry on luggage and anyone with slip on shoes had to pick them up 3 rows forward from what most certainly max breaking. All the passengers looked at me and my colleague asking if they had just survived wind shear. Of course we calmly smiled with a business as usual "everything is fine". Fact was ACE just about broke his A321 with me on board.

If you for one minute think a mainline pilot is not capable of screwing something up as bad as the Buffalo accident you are living under a rock.

The Colgan flight got more media play then any fatal accident in recent history. It was sensational that the ATC tapes were online within an hour of the accident. More information about this accident hit the media before anyone really knew what had happened but the cat was already out of the bag and the media had already decided for the public who was guilty. It wasn't two pilots but entire fleet of pilots.

Where is the cvr tape from the American flight that over shot the runway and nearly went swimming in Jamaica. There were cry's of fatigue there. The Union came to rescue with the work rule excuse. Why didn't those MORE professional pilots call out because of fatigue. Where is the out cry, no one died that's the only difference. And they did not die not because the pilots did such a great job. A great job would have had the plane at the gate not on the beach.

So I honestly don't take your question with much merit. It has shock value and that is what the media is here for.

The Buffalo accident was not a cross section of the regional airline pilot group. It was one accident which should not have happened. To lump all regional pilots in with this crew is wrong. Just as wrong as it is too lump all mainline pilots in with those who have had bad things happen. I wouldn't do it to them, I'd appreciate the courtesy of not doing it too me.

It is almost as though you people think the public won't fly on a regional aircraft if you make enough noise. You ought to know better. They will fly on the cheapest ticket they can get, look at the success of Southwest. Look how they brought the rest of the industry to its knees. It wasn't outstanding service, better pilots, better meals or A, B, or C boarding priorities. It was the cheapest ticket. Once the sensationalism is gone they will go right back to doing what they do. Besides it's not like your companies are going to stop farming work out.
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Originally Posted by GuppyPuppy View Post
I found it quite ironic that the UAL MEC (Wendy) mentions that these regional carriers hire "minimally experienced pilots" when her company lowered the minimum qualifications to a commercial pilot certificate and 350 hours total time.
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I know of one individual at UAUA that was hired at about 400 hrs back in 1998.

They had not even completed initial IOE at the regional they were at. Yes, he/she was an intern their while in college.
I believe the ACTUAL minimum was 350 PIC, not total. Going from the scantron after it removed various breakdowns of flight time, like dual received, etc.

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And none of those "minimally qualified" F/Os at UAL was flying with a 3000 hour Captain with 5 checkride busts.
I wonder how many CA's had check ride busts from some of the already mentioned;

AA in Columbia and LIT
DAL (S) in ATL
DAL (N) overflight
AA in Jamaica
CAL taxiway Z
FedEx
UAL in SFO

As examples.
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