House wants 1500hrs, sends bill back
03-26-2010, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
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03-26-2010, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
I flew pipeline myself. Talk about dealing with the WX and having to make decisions. That stuff pays off. The folks that are coming up are gonna have to just work that much more harder. It sucks and I wouldn't do it again if I had to deal with what's going on now.
03-26-2010, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
I have a question.
For us low timers, how do you get from 250 to 1500 with crew conditions and things like that if flying 135 requires 1500 also?
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
I mean what real commercial flying job can you have to get to 1500 that has the crew management and all the things they want?(instructing will get you there but not with crew management)
Don't get me wrong, this bill will make pay finally go where it should. people have no idea pilots are underpaid. I tell my friends what FOs make in regionals and even Majors (and how much training cost) and they don't believe me. It's ridiculous.
For us low timers, how do you get from 250 to 1500 with crew conditions and things like that if flying 135 requires 1500 also?
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
I mean what real commercial flying job can you have to get to 1500 that has the crew management and all the things they want?(instructing will get you there but not with crew management)
Don't get me wrong, this bill will make pay finally go where it should. people have no idea pilots are underpaid. I tell my friends what FOs make in regionals and even Majors (and how much training cost) and they don't believe me. It's ridiculous.
03-26-2010, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
Good question. The same way everyone else did it when the minimums to get hired at a regional carrier were at least 2000tt. They did, so can't everyone else. You'll thank congress for doing this one day. It's hard to see now but when you get past the honeymoon of flying you'll remember this post. Goodluck.
03-26-2010, 04:31 PM
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I believe early Colgan years
Late 60's up until mid 80's that the original IBM contract that got Colgan off the ground and running with required 1500 hrs TT 250 multi just to sit right seat in a Chieftan and then BE-99. One also had to have an EKG....as an FO.
This is not BS but fact.
No Board Directors and Colgans were allowed to fly together....in case of the unthinkable. Wipe out the entire Board as few as they were.
This is a time when there may have been 50-150 pilots on the payroll. You knew the pilots and their abilities...family if you want to use the term.
What happened to safe conservative thinking?? 90's-2000's profit driven expansion I guess.
I hope it gets back to the same way. I sure as hell would not put my family in a RJ or T.P with a 500 hr FO riding shot gun to a 3000hr CA. No way Jose....better off to drive.
This is not BS but fact.
No Board Directors and Colgans were allowed to fly together....in case of the unthinkable. Wipe out the entire Board as few as they were.
This is a time when there may have been 50-150 pilots on the payroll. You knew the pilots and their abilities...family if you want to use the term.
What happened to safe conservative thinking?? 90's-2000's profit driven expansion I guess.
I hope it gets back to the same way. I sure as hell would not put my family in a RJ or T.P with a 500 hr FO riding shot gun to a 3000hr CA. No way Jose....better off to drive.
03-26-2010, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by guzzilapd
I hope it gets back to the same way. I sure as hell would not put my family in a RJ or T.P with a 500 hr FO riding shot gun to a 3000hr CA. No way Jose....better off to drive.
Do you actually believe that driving is safer than flying
03-26-2010, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
I have a question.
For us low timers, how do you get from 250 to 1500 with crew conditions and things like that if flying 135 requires 1500 also?
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
I mean what real commercial flying job can you have to get to 1500 that has the crew management and all the things they want?(instructing will get you there but not with crew management)
For us low timers, how do you get from 250 to 1500 with crew conditions and things like that if flying 135 requires 1500 also?
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
I mean what real commercial flying job can you have to get to 1500 that has the crew management and all the things they want?(instructing will get you there but not with crew management)
I mean, I don't want to put too fine a point on it, but wiskey tango foxtrot, oscar?
Nu
03-26-2010, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
With a 250 gear slinger, and a captain up front that has busted 5 rides? I'll roll the dice on I-95.
Aviation statistics DO NOT matter if you're in that one plane with the accident chain up and running.
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