UAL/CAL pilot talks hit snag
06-26-2010, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fireman0174
If you are referring to the 1985 UAL pilot strike, the IAM did not "walk" with ALPA. They were on the payroll the entire time.
AFA flight attendants were a different matter. They did honor our picket line.
AFA flight attendants were a different matter. They did honor our picket line.
06-26-2010, 03:39 PM
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Me too!!!
The best thing we can do for our fellow employees is to get a good contract. We can't negotiate for them, it's already hard enough negotiating for ourselves. But, our scope protections help them save jobs and if we get a raise, they can(and will) say, "Me too!"
06-26-2010, 04:48 PM
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Your negotiators need to make sure that the Transition Agreement is airtight and all language is concise and unambiguous.
US Airways is operating under a TA that is neither and that has caused a lot of issues apart from the SLI, like furloughs out of seniority and whipsawing one pilot group against the other.
US Airways is operating under a TA that is neither and that has caused a lot of issues apart from the SLI, like furloughs out of seniority and whipsawing one pilot group against the other.
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06-26-2010, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkeyfly
The best thing we can do for our fellow employees is to get a good contract. We can't negotiate for them, it's already hard enough negotiating for ourselves. But, our scope protections help them save jobs and if we get a raise, they can(and will) say, "Me too!"
06-27-2010, 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
You sure about? I'll put you in touch with my dad (IAM) that walked in that strike. He walked in the day time and got a job at night for money.
Certainly there were individual members that supported us, but on a formal basis, the IAM continued to work.
06-27-2010, 04:57 AM
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Let me rephrase it. Do you think the IAM, AFA or whoever thinks about the pilots when they are negotiating/voting on a contract? Do you think they discuss whether they should ask for less so there is some left for the other work groups? I think you know the answer....
Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Interesting. When the IAM walked wtih ALPA during the UAL strike, did that mean that they should "get less"?
Whether in a flat out hourly rate overall and/or a B-scale?
Whether in a flat out hourly rate overall and/or a B-scale?
06-27-2010, 05:43 AM
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Some of you have bought into the "limited size of the pie" argument that management has tamped up our bottom side for 15 years. Let's not forget a few things. One of those "other employee groups" that we suddenly seem to be concerned about are the management people themselves. Let's reflect on how concerned they are for you and I. Secondly, Make a bigger pie (raise ticket prices).
06-27-2010, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Bligh
Some of you have bought into the "limited size of the pie" argument that management has tamped up our bottom side for 15 years. Let's not forget a few things. One of those "other employee groups" that we suddenly seem to be concerned about are the management people themselves. Let's reflect on how concerned they are for you and I. Secondly, Make a bigger pie (raise ticket prices).
NOW look!
DOGGONE WORRYING ABOUT WHAT EVERYBODY else GETS! Get what YOU get!! Why is this even a question?? And What IDIOT brought it UP?? I happen to BELONG to one of those "OTHER" Groups at United and if you thnk for ONE minute they're NOT gong to get what they can get based on your "largesse" in not takng all you CAN get?? Then you'd better get some ASPRIN cuz you guys have a headache!! You guys DO what you NEED to do! And don't wory about anybody else. Because until you get YOURS?? None of US is going to get OURS!! Now YOU Might not have any airplanes to FLY ater you GET yours if we don't get OUR fingers "greasy", BUT If you don't get yours what the heck difference does it MAKE?? Nothing is going to FLY anyway!! thats WHY I like your Motto!! FUPM!! Let senior managment take the hit! Now Get BUSY!!
06-28-2010, 09:46 PM
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Scope effects almost every group at an airline. Limit the amount of outsourcing and guess what, more jobs within.
Separate ballots for the joint CBA is a great way to avoid whipsawing and animosity between pilot groups while gaining leverage against the company.
The CAL UAL joint CBA will be an industry changing contract. There is zero room for error.
Separate ballots for the joint CBA is a great way to avoid whipsawing and animosity between pilot groups while gaining leverage against the company.
The CAL UAL joint CBA will be an industry changing contract. There is zero room for error.
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