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07-01-2010 | 07:14 AM

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tsquare

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Originally Posted by The Duke

So, are they talking about doing away with the flow-up, or are they cancelling it all together?

What's the difference?

07-01-2010 | 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Schwartz

The contract says the flow UP can be terminated for compass new hires. Anyone on the property now should be protected by the agreement.

Read the whole LOA, new hires within its context appears to refer to anyone at CPS who was not a flowdown. Given how management worded the Q&A today, that appears to be their view.

07-01-2010 | 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by XtremeF150

I just hope we get some support from the other side of the fence to keep the flow....however when there isn't much chance of needing the flowback in the near future I definately predict we wont see many DAL pilots wanting to keep this thing around. We have already heard a lot of noise to get rid of it.

Ahh well I guess we will see.

How do the markets look? See a sell off? See a double dip that all of us have been fearful about possible coming to roost. Do not be to quick on your assertions.

07-01-2010 | 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleBus

From today's Q&A to Compass employees, management is claiming the ability to cancel the flow up provision without affecting the flow down or reducing the number of 76 seaters.

Jungle-
Unfortunately, the language of the flow-through LOA seems to support that "claim".
In fact, that's exactly what it says.

07-01-2010 | 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleBus

No. Allows LM & Co the ability to wash their hands and look the other way when we get raped. "Not our problem, what happens at the regional level doesn't affect us!" Same song, different verse.

I'm curious about your take on a potential scenario where the flow up is terminated but the flow-down remains in effect, and the current CPS pilots who've been living under the threat of a flowdown/furlough scenario for the last two years have the agreement terminated when on the verge of flowing up. Do you see the DAL MEC expending any effort whatsoever to prevent such a scenario from happening? I would hope so but as someone else posted, rather doubt they'll spent the postage to send us a condolence letter.

Let me see. Threat of a DFR if you were on our MEC? Yep, because no matter what Lee did he would get sued. (Not just him as a person but the DAL MEC and the simple fact is that the DAL MEC wanted to represent the DAL pilots interest solely and not play to two masters) Seems to mean that your MEC represents you and ours represents us.

Just food for though. Now is the last time you want to start throwing grenades at the DAL MEC.

I may not have liked what we did with the CPS Question, but Pratter sent the question to DALPA and we gave a suggestion. National Acted upon it. Those are the facts, and the facts are that given the fact that DALPA was representing a pilot group that had a separate PWA from ours and would be in section six talks at the same time, it would have made a DFR case a certainty if we wanted to take back scope or even talk about it.

Whether or not I agreed at the time, their points held legal and representation merit. It did nothing for unity, but it fulfilled the DALPA MEC's primary obligation to represent the best interest of ALL Delta pilots not just the bottom 400.

07-01-2010 | 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleBus

Read the whole LOA, new hires within its context appears to refer to anyone at CPS who was not a flowdown. Given how management worded the Q&A today, that appears to be their view.

The negotiator's notes and intended meaning will come in to play I am sure. That is unless all parties agree to end it.

07-01-2010 | 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleBus

No. Allows LM & Co the ability to wash their hands and look the other way when we get raped. "Not our problem, what happens at the regional level doesn't affect us!" Same song, different verse.

Yeah, that's why LM & Co went to the effort to establish the Delta Connection Pilot Alliance and conducted a DCI combined MEC meeting in March. Sheez.

The rest I've deleted in the interest of harmony...

07-01-2010 | 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

How do the markets look? See a sell off? See a double dip that all of us have been fearful about possible coming to roost. Do not be to quick on your assertions.

UGH. Here we go again.

07-01-2010 | 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Interesting to see what you MEC's response to that is. My response is that you need to read the LOA's and not to allow parties to play in to the emotional side of this. Do not let them divide you against us. This is trick 101.

Call your former MEC Chair at home and ask how putting the interests of Mesaba pilots ahead of Compass pilots is working out for her & her hubby.

07-01-2010 | 07:34 AM

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I think we all just need to let the news of today wash over us. Especially the compass guys. We aren't exactly excited about being owned by TSH. With that said I think there will be support from all sides to allow the current seniority list to flow.