I heard PR say that Compass interview is no substitute to Delta's. People just flowing through without Delta's selection process just didn't sit right for him.

Maybe that was the last straw in the decision to sell off?

 

Absolutely it did. From a Representational standpoint, they were "Delta pilots" represented by the Delta MEC. It is easy to sell a subsidiary. Much more difficult to sell your own pilots.

It was a freight train who's momentum would not be deterred, but we could have at least analyzed it to determine what it was worth to enable the flexibility management desired.

Now we are a little behind, but we still need to evaluate what the cancellation of the flow is worth. If the flow was an effective furlough deterrent, then the cancellation of the flow should be worth at least a no furlough guarantee for everyone on the property now. Further, since the E175 was specifically a mainline jet replacement, pilots from the 737 down should be pay protected seat & BASE!

Delta says we're growing, so it should be easy to get better protection than a flow down to Go Jets.

 

I really hope your right.

 

Not at all. The best way to "take back their flying" was to staple them & make them Delta pilots. No DFR violation in unity Bro.

 

No, it allows the Compass pilots to represent their own best interests without any other outside parties interfering. Can you imagine the representational problems that would occur with Compass being represented by pilots of another company with no affiliation with Compass other than a flow through and a marketing agreement? If you can't understand how screwed up that would be then you just aren't thinking about it.

What if Compass is merged with Trans States. Your merger committee would be Delta pilots and your expenses would have to be paid by an assessment by Delta pilots. What if that assessment fails? Who is going to pay your lawyers? What if Delta wants to add 90 seat jets at Trans States/Compass? How should the Delta MEC vote on that issue?

I am sorry, but the representational structure that the NWA MEC set up was the most idiotic arrangement you could ever imagine, and it took some outside viewpoint to realize that and do the right thing. I imagine that every one of the fNWA reps that voted to keep the old structure are breathing a sigh of relief now that they realize how stupid the old representational structure was. This is the perfect example.

Nobody "cut you loose", you are given the same representational structure as any other carrier in ALPA. Time to put the big boy pants on and represent yourselves.

 

Alpha,

I'm sure you are typing a post ripping me a new one. So I'm reserving this spot while I edit

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First you are correct. The structure of CPZ was dumb. They sold the junior guys to get credits they applied to saving pensions for a few more favored pilots. CPZ was political eyewash covering a scope sale. I'm not sure that the f-NWA reference to Visine is, but I think it is eyewash and they were the purveyors of this particular brand. But now we Delta guys take on yet another gaping loophole in our scope. As they say, the ingestion of Visine causes diarrhea and other localized pains in the butt.

Given the history of Go Jets and the NMB ruling which set the precedent that alter ego structures are legitimate even for the sole purpose of side stepping a scope clause, the hope for a Compass merger is remote. One likely scenario is that they switch rather than fight and end up joining the ranks of Teamsters. After all their first Representative was more concerned with Mesaba than Compass pilots and then D-ALPA unceremoniously booted them at the earliest opportunity. ALPA has not been a very pleasant experience.

The wisdom of booting them is apparent. But, we could have just as easily fought to make them Delta pilots and recaptured some of our flying. As a union, that is the course we should have taken. It is the course we need to take to be relevant.

 

And just how were you going to accomplish that in the real world?

 

Absolutely...this would have been the best for all parties...well maybe not management but i can't believe this didn't get unilateral support from everyone.....still dissapointed about that as well.

 

Could you tell me what our contract language says about fragmentation? Couldn't Delta sell the entire MEM or CVG base tomorrow? Couldn't Delta sell the MD-88 or the A-320 fleet tomorrow? Aren't these all Delta pilots?

The Compass transaction would not have even been big enough to trigger a fragmentation protection in our contract. It could have been a neutron bomb sale, all the metal survives but the pilots get dumped.

While you are working out those seat and BASE protections, could you work it out for the CVG 7ER category. I would like to get paid for sitting at home.

 

I think most on each side would agree that there vote should be NO...You think as a CP pilot i want 90 seat jets why?