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Old 07-01-2010 | 08:14 AM
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I do not argue that at all. From their perspective they want everyone hired here to go though their process, not one the mimics their.
We can speculate about the hiring process all we want, but explain to me all this:

- Why was the Hoffman Group (DAL's HR pilot hiring firm) sent to MSP to set up a DAL interview process?
- Why has CPZ's management been conducting the "Delta interview" for weeks now?
- Why is a new Delta hiring computer testing center being set up at CPZ headquarters this week?
- Why has the manager of hiring at DAL sent the top 60 pilots at CPZ letters with projected class dates?

You're "in the know" so perhaps you can answer these questions.

I'm sure that management understands what canceling the flow at Compass would do to morale, on time performance, write-ups, etc. They know and have acknowledged that the flow is good for morale. Following through on a promise is usually the best business practice to motivate employees.
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Old 07-01-2010 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I have not reread the LOA's today, but the stipulation on the flows and our PWA as I recall them is that it triggers a pullback to 85 76 seat jets if the flow becomes unavailable, but it does not stipulate by what means. It also does not define a flow up or down. So at the end of the day if it is ended this trigger may still hold a ton of leverage water.
I'd like to have faith that this could happen, but history shows management's lawyers usually beat ours.
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Old 07-01-2010 | 08:15 AM
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Either way, we are going to be forced into another scope negotiation. The flow is a job protection provision.

It will be interesting to see if Sailing, Slow and Alpha back pedal on how effective a tool it was in preventing furloughs.

(not that I am unappreciative of avoiding furlough and the MEC's work to ensure my employment. They can expect pressure will be maintained to keep up the excellent performance )
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Old 07-01-2010 | 08:16 AM
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haven't they been saying at all the roadshows the rough numbers for the flow from each company and how that would affect the number of off the street hires? Seems like a well coordinated case of to-your-face lying if not true.
Just to be contradictory but: There was no merger, merger was dead until there was different information.

These guys are lawyers and coached by lawyers. They would not under any circumstances presuppose something like this in any conversation prior to it being official. Simply put, answers based upon the known facts of that minute.
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Old 07-01-2010 | 08:17 AM
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There are so many things in play, and the motto of "A measure of a person is what how he/she treats someone he/she has nothing to gain from.
Hey, I do a good job of fetching garbage bags on the way back from the walk around. Flying with us junior losers isn't a completely zero sum game.
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Old 07-01-2010 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
...for the guys that until today planed their futures on it.
Which just goes to prove "career expectations" isn't worth what my dog dropped on the trail this morning.
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Old 07-01-2010 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I'd like to have faith that this could happen, but history shows management's lawyers usually beat ours.
I disagree to a point. It is contractual language that may be questions as to intent. Then we get in to the intent during the talks that the NWA MEC had during 1113C, and then we get in to the intent of bringing the LOA's over to the DAL PWA and for the most part intact.

In the end this is not cut and dry, and that was my point.
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Old 07-01-2010 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Ad Lib
Hey, I do a good job of fetching garbage bags on the way back from the walk around. Flying with us junior losers isn't a completely zero sum game.
Ha, point was that we need to not always look out for what is best for me me me. It has gotten us to where we are today. There is a benefit in helping each other out. It just does not always have to pay you a dividend.
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Old 07-01-2010 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I disagree to a point. It is contractual language that may be questions as to intent. Then we get in to the intent during the talks that the NWA MEC had during 1113C, and then we get in to the intent of bringing the LOA's over to the DAL PWA and for the most part intact.

In the end this is not cut and dry, and that was my point.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I have not reread the LOA's today, but the stipulation on the flows and our PWA as I recall them is that it triggers a pullback to 85 76 seat jets if the flow becomes unavailable, but it does not stipulate by what means. It also does not define a flow up or down. So at the end of the day if it is ended this trigger may still hold a ton of leverage/water.
Perhaps leaving it open covers everything?
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Old 07-01-2010 | 08:23 AM
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Best of Luck to all of you guys. We all know how upper managment is never looking out for us........ I'd be more afraid for Gojet to grow even more with Compass flying......But perhaps this could be an opportunity for TSA to get together with Compass and strengthen their possition. Just a thought..
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