It is.

A staple:

• Provides enhanced career expectations for ALPA members at the effected carriers
• Provides job security for current Delta pilots by having seniority list pilots junior to them
• Makes ALPA more relevant
• Provides increased management flexibility to meet market demand

A staple would require that scope loop holes be closed by taking the number of outsourced jets off the table.

It's unrealistic though.

Of course they are. :eek:

I would settle for "Provides a job!"

Nope. No where in my post was that written. Not even close.

What was briefed by the MEC Chairman was that ALPA mergers typically went by equipment type or paycheck. It was reasonable to expect a staple. The same briefing was given by the RJDC types.

At no time was any SLI proposal suggesting Date of Hire ever made. Never happened.

Is there any way I could make that more clear for you?

In my opinion a staple would have been generous and also would have prevented Delta pilot furloughs. A staple would have been better than spending billions of Delta's money on outsourcing, then selling the results for pennies on the dollars invested. A staple would result in you and me being much more senior, secure and having additional career choices, if we wanted them.

My opinion is anything other than a staple would be ridiculous. For the senior RJ guys we could give them some sort of fence to protect their current category and status. That's JMHO.

You apparently have me confused with someone else. BTW, I agree with you that JC Lawson did a lot of harm.

I think it has more to do about protecting the quality and marketing of the type of pilots hired than it does with what military pilots wanted.

Both DALPA and DAL are very conscious of the DAL brand. Military pilots would flock to other airlines if they had to start at DAL flying a regional for low pay. I think they were more worried about losing the military pipeline than anything else.

Before the conspiracy theories go too far here, just remember that management merges companies and labor merges seniority lists after the merger is announced. There never was a merger announced between DAL and either ASA or CMR so there was never ANY proposals about SLI methodologies by either side. I know that somehow the ASA and CMR MEC's got it into their heads that they could force a merger by forcing the beginning of ALPA merger policy but they were wrong and the whole episode was a little bit of a joke. One could note that they never filed a petition for the two of them to be declared a single transportation system, maybe Ad Lib could enlighten us as to why that most logical step was never taken.

One more note, not one section of any major airline was rejected by any judge. Noting that scope was not rejected is quite misleading. If you negotiate changes, the rejection doesn't happen. Trying to assume that if no negotiations took place then no rejection would have occurred is just silly. Remember that every labor group that took it to a judge had their contracts rejected. 100%.

Trying to rewrite history to match your future assumptions doesn't make it true. All of this bunk about protecting military pilots and all the rest is just bunk. We didn't merge our lists because the companies weren't merged. It is as simple as that.

That's partly true and false at the same time. Do they really care about the brand that is flying 76 seaters and below? I would say that is DAL brand that they don't really care about.

K,

You win {edit}

good luck. enjoy the "clincky" ice in the single malt.

The filing of a single carrier petition never happened because if ALPA and management are both against a merger, there is no point in filing the petition. At the time, ALPA was threatening to throw the ASA MEC into receivership over their quest to secure a little scope, so who do you think would file a petition?

I was in complete agreement with you until your statement that we did not merge because management did not want a merger. ALPA never asked the question.

You make a very good point. I do think they care about the brand, which is why they've been trying to make the product as good as it can be.

However, I think they want to wash their hands of any responsibility. In other words, if a Colgan type of accident happened again, DAL can claim that it was not DAL aircraft or pilots ... it was a contractor. Therefore, no liability. Hence, the sale of Mesaba and Compass. Soon you'll seen Comair go away once the lawsuits are settled with the Lexington accident.